Message for strikers

debsue

wantsajob wrote: »

If you do not like the arrangements for pensions, please quit your jobs and make way for the millions of unemployed who do not mind, and want to work for a living rather than moan. Be glad just to have a job, and if the pension issue bothers you save up.

tell you what, lets all quit our cushy public sector jobs and lets see how things run when the millions of unemployed take over, just hope you dont get sick, or want to have an education or want help from the police

dave4545454

SarEl wrote: »

I would remind you that

(a) the millions of workers who are on strike today are amongst those paying for the unemployed and everyone else who isn't working (like you I guess from your user ID), and whilst some people want to work, there seems to be a fair few who also don't want to.

So if they are willing to fight to stop their conditions from being eroded then good luck to them.

(b) Since they are not getting paid for today, they also won't be paying any taxes for today either - so that'll be another reason to cut benefits as there won't be quite as much money in the pot to pay for them. I presume you will be willing to take the hit to help the country out?

unbelievable:eek: do you seriously not know where the money comes from to pay public sector wages? it comes from the taxes of the private sector.

the public sector do NOT pay the unemployed. they take money from the same pot as the unemployed and they take a hell of a lot more each too. the private sector pays the unemployed and the public sector.

the public sector "paying" taxes is giving a little bit of the big amount of money they've taken away from the taxes pot back.

debsue

dave4545454 wrote: »

unbelievable:eek: do you seriously not know where the money comes from to pay public sector wages? it comes from the taxes of the private sector.

the public sector do NOT pay the unemployed. they take money from the same pot as the unemployed and they take a hell of a lot more each too. the private sector pays the unemployed and the public sector.

the public sector "paying" taxes is giving a little bit of the big amount of money they've taken away from the taxes pot back.

Now isnt the NHS the biggest employer in europe? I pay a lot of tax mate and I am fed up of being told "i pay your wage".

starnight_2

I'm fed up with the 'i pay your wage' argument also. The government pays my wage, you pay them tax for the services we provide. Not limited to but including healthcare and education. It's not like you're not getting anything in return for it.

Let's it this way
When I buy, let's say a place ticket, that money goes to whoever owns the company I but from, lets say BA for arguments sake. So I've just bought a ticket, and BA gets the money. BA then pays their workers.
I'm not denying taxes go towards our wages, but the public services are providing you with their services.

CHRISSYG - you do realise that most pensions are currently ok, more being paid in than being paid out? I'm not opposed to all changes, but the government are pushing too hard, too fast.

Pearlstar

I cannot believe all this fuss about parents HAVING to look after their own children because the Teachers were on strike! What happens if the children are ill?
Pearl:starmod:

SarEl

dave4545454 wrote: »

unbelievable:eek: do you seriously not know where the money comes from to pay public sector wages? it comes from the taxes of the private sector.

the public sector do NOT pay the unemployed. they take money from the same pot as the unemployed and they take a hell of a lot more each too. the private sector pays the unemployed and the public sector.

the public sector "paying" taxes is giving a little bit of the big amount of money they've taken away from the taxes pot back.

And are you so seriously stupid that you do not realise that the supply chains generated by the public sector are what keeps the vast majority of the private sector in work? Long gone are the days when industry supported enormous supply chains - without the public sector to buy the goods and servives produced and without public sector workers to be consumers of the goods and services, the private sector would be a ghost ttrain going nowhere.

RobertoMoir

QuackQuack wrote: »

Strikes are wrong at the best of times, but seriously these people need to quit griping about it as their case is utterly lame and lacks much public support.

Not so sure about that but anyway.

A couple of things did amuse me. My local hospital had about 65 people out on the picket line out of some 3,000 employees. Yet one staff member said to me "They'll stand on the picket line, but you can't get them to work a days overtime" another "It's nice working here today, all the trouble makers and moaners are not here."

Yes clearly one person out of 3000 is a statistically significant sample.

There was very little disruption in general - save for schools. With this in mind perhaps we could be shedding some more public sector jobs? After all if they can walk out for a day and make no noticeable difference, are they needed in the first place?

Yes because everyone is in a job that is so balanced on a knife-edge that they can't be away from it for a day. We'd be in trouble if someone ever invented "the vacation" or "being too ill to work", right?

Finally I guess I look at it like this; If someone can afford the luxury of taking a day off without pay to strike, they are clearly paid too much to start with.

So you think that anyone who is paid enough to be able to afford a day off a month is overpaid? Seriously? What a joyless place this country would be if you were running it, with everyone's wages hovering just a fraction above their expenses. Never mind "jam tomorrow", it would take people an entire year to save up for the extra bit of bread and the butter to have with it.

Yes I am a public sector worker. But no, I didn't vote for the strike and I didn't strike.

triticale

dave4545454 wrote: »

unbelievable:eek: do you seriously not know where the money comes from to pay public sector wages? it comes from the taxes of the private sector.

the public sector do NOT pay the unemployed. they take money from the same pot as the unemployed and they take a hell of a lot more each too. the private sector pays the unemployed and the public sector.

the public sector "paying" taxes is giving a little bit of the big amount of money they've taken away from the taxes pot back.

I'm sick of hearing this.

Are you really equating earning a public sector wage to receiving benefits?

If I wasn't employed in my job IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE DONE, this would mean paying a private company to do it (at a much higher cost). My pay and taxes are not 'recycled' money, I f*cking well earn it.

Should I start going into Tescos or my local garage and telling them how they don't actually earn, or contribute to taxes - their pay is just 'recycled' public sector pay, given to them by me?

Me saying 'I pay their wages' sounds as ridiculous as someone telling me the same.

ILW

triticale wrote: »

I'm sick of hearing this.

Are you really equating earning a public sector wage to receiving benefits?

If I wasn't employed in my job IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE DONE, this would mean paying a private company to do it (at a much higher cost). My pay and taxes are not 'recycled' money, I f*cking well earn it.

Should I start going into Tescos or my local garage and telling them how they don't actually earn, or contribute to taxes - their pay is just 'recycled' public sector pay, given to them by me?

Me saying 'I pay their wages' sounds as ridiculous as someone telling me the same.

Retailers will happily admit that their customers pay their wages. The difference is that the customer has a choice which retailers they use and the ones that are not so good go out of business. The highly unionised public sector can perform very badly and the "customers" are forced by law to keep paying them.

imatt

Firms such as G4s, A4e, Serco, etc are private concerns, are they not? However, as I said in another thread they have so many fingers in so many pies. Many of these 'pies' are services that the public sector used to provide. Such as certain prisons for example. A great deal if not most of these firms business comes from govt contracts. Where does the cash come from? Ultimately, the tax payer.

We thus have a situation where private companies grow fat on the back of the public purse. Some have likened it to a form of a 'privatised state sector'.