Message for strikers

QuackQuack_2

dickydonkin wrote: »

Where I live, the local news conducted a poll amongst the general public and there was 60+% in support of the strike.

As for stating that 'Strikes are wrong at the best of times' then that comment should be treat with the contempt it deserves.

I don't agree with you - but I respect your right to hold the view that you do.

But I would like to thank you for being grown up enough to offer your opposition to my view - which is both clearly intelligent and interesting to read - without resulting to abuse or calling me a 'troll' because I may disagree with something. You'll be surprised how uncommon that is around here.

dickydonkin

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

If the pension age is to rise to 67 that will mean that jobseekers are expected to look for a job until their 67 too?
I challenge anyone over 50 to get a job in todays climate and anyone over 60, well unless it was working for a friend/family member or you were in a very specialist field I wouldnt like to rate your chances.
Age discrimination is absolutley rife.

You are spot on - it is absolutely rife!

Not just that, we are persistently being told that 'we are living longer' hence the need for pension reform.

I just wonder how many workers (particularly those with labour intensive roles) will be struggling to do their jobs in their sixties just have to carry on regardless until they reach retirement.

Yes....at 65 (when most are ready to put their feet up) they are technically alive - insomuch their heart is beating and blood is flowing through their bodies.

But, when bones are already creaking, muscles are wasting away and getting up on a morning is an ordeal, to ask someone to continue for another 2 years and possibly work until they drop is nothing short of heartless.

Edit to add:

I fully respect those that out of choice they continue to work after their retirement age - and good for them, but I totally disagree with successive governments who keep moving the retirement age goalposts.

Orville

mickey54 wrote: »

Think you have taken my question in the wrong way.

By reading his post - I assumed he was one on the well off pensioners, who are always questioning other peoples motives.

Nothing wrong with working in construction - or being a cleaner!!! Who said there was?

I think his name says everything, he wants a job and would be grateful for that, with or without a pension.

dickydonkin

k66yla wrote: »

All I'm hearing is Private less Public more. Why are you 'Private' pension holders not doing something about it? Instead you want to bring everyone down to your so called 'rubbish pension' level. Have'nt you got a backbone or can't you be bothered?

Unfortunately, many private pension holders will work for SME's and will very likely have some tinpot money purchase pension scheme where the pension pot is determined (usually) by the stock market perfomance.

So you are suggesting that a company with say - 30 employees and no union backing can demand from their employer they want a final salary scheme with any shortfalls to be made up by the employer - or taxpayers - as in the case of the public sector?

Get real!

k66yla

dickydonkin wrote: »

Unfortunately, many private pension holders will work for SME's and will very likely have some tinpot money purchase pension scheme where the pension pot is determined (usually) by the stock market perfomance.

So you are suggesting that a company with say - 30 employees and no union backing can demand from their employer they want a final salary scheme with any shortfalls to be made up by the employer - or taxpayers - as in the case of the public sector?

Get real!

Do something about it then.........join a union or set one up http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/b/j/A02_1.pdf

starnight_2

QuackQuack wrote: »

There was very little disruption in general - save for schools. With this in mind perhaps we could be shedding some more public sector jobs? After all if they can walk out for a day and make no noticeable difference, are they needed in the first place?

Yes lets keep advocating this, exactly what this country needs another 2 million out of work. As you said they're not needed in the first place so lets kick them out of hte job and not fill it, increasing unemployment.

magenta22

Whilst I agree that striking doesn't actually solve anything, I don't agree with the OP.

These people have paid into a pension and will actually lose money through what the government plans.

Some public sector workers have already had a pay freeze for the last two years, they are going to become part of another company who has now just begun their two year pay freeze so they won't get a pay rise for a total of at least four years. Then they will lose money with something they have already paid in to.

Public sector workers pay tax like anyone else, some a lot more than others. They work hard but are expected to do the same for less. What are they supposed to do? Sit back and say thank you very much, yes I will work longer hours, have no time with my family and get less money in my pocket for the priviledge? Remember some people work after retirement age because they can't afford to live off their pension.

I'm sure if you were in the public sector, your views would be different to what they are now. :cool:

suited-aces

So we should all be in a race to the bottom?

Mistral001

My impression is that many public sector workers who are very public in their demands just do not get it.

I saw a woman on TV last night complaining about losing a day's pay because, she had to stay at home to look after her children. Yes she lost a day's pay. That means at the end of the week her income will be docked a day's pay - get it?. If she has been in her job for less than a year she could actually be sacked.

dickydonkin

k66yla wrote: »

Do something about it then.........join a union or set one up http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/b/j/A02_1.pdf

So, for example.....an individual who works for a non unionised small business does join a union - as you suggested, he then goes to his boss and demands a final salary or improved pension?

I suspect that would go down well.

As I stated in my earier post..Get Real!