Sacked for Gross Misconduct - reference

eamon

Getting back on track. To the OP an official previous employers reference will be supplied on headed paper from an appropriate person i.e HR or manager. However it is perfectly ok to provide personal references if that is all that is available. Don't forget many hundreds of business's have closed in recent years i.e. there is nobody to provide a reference. As your previous employer still exists that may not be an option but the least you should do is ask then what kind of reference they do supply as already said if may be brief and to the point e.g. length of service with no mention as to why you were dismissed.

dickydonkin

Uncertain wrote: »

Now let's see......

"Been working there for the last five years"........

"Find one that did go bust five years ago".........

So, if they went bust five years ago how has he been working there for the last five years?

Oh dear.....

Very few people can lie anything like as well as they think they can - as you have just demonstrated!

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Love it!

My dad always said that to be a good liar, you also have to have one hell of a memory as well.

stephent82

I have worked in HR and several other position. I would recommend that you get a voluntary job ASAP. They will then, after a few months, give you a reference as you last employer.

You could also go down the route of joining a care agency, or temping agency. Thee industries are normally much more forgiving due to the amount of work out there. After a few month the agencies will be able to give you a reference.

You could also go down the route of admitting what you have done as part of your application. State that you returned the item and express regret... treat it like a learning experience. If you are capable, you may still be employed.

All other posters - we all make mistakes. Some are more stupid than others... but we have all been there.

Jinx

In the company I work for our standard references just give a reason eg dismissed with no further information or resigned etc. No elaboration is ever given.

No employees within our organisation are allowed to give personal references if they only knew the person through work - that is considered the employers place.

stressedout9

Hi,

Sorry to bore everyone on here, but what I'd like to know is......can my previous employers (who dismissed me for gross misconduct) scupper my chances of getting a new job if/when asked for a reference?
I was dismissed as I was alleged to have signed a client's cheque (I didn't). No proof was needed, the firm (a legal practice) just needed to suspect me enough of doing it, which they have done. I worked there for 5 years. I have lodged a claim with an Employment Tribunal, and this is due to be heard in the next fortnight.
After months of applying (fruitlessly) for jobs, last week I was offered one, which I accepted, and I start work there this week. The jobs are similar - finance roles - and I'm a bit worried that if the new company asks the old one the reason why I left their employment (at the interview, I just said that I left following a the introduction of a new computer system and a departmental restructure - absolutely true.).
Any advice/reassurance would be greatly appreciated!

Torry_Quine

stressedout9 wrote: »

Hi,

Sorry to bore everyone on here, but what I'd like to know is......can my previous employers (who dismissed me for gross misconduct) scupper my chances of getting a new job if/when asked for a reference?
I was dismissed as I was alleged to have signed a client's cheque (I didn't). No proof was needed, the firm (a legal practice) just needed to suspect me enough of doing it, which they have done. I worked there for 5 years. I have lodged a claim with an Employment Tribunal, and this is due to be heard in the next fortnight.
After months of applying (fruitlessly) for jobs, last week I was offered one, which I accepted, and I start work there this week. The jobs are similar - finance roles - and I'm a bit worried that if the new company asks the old one the reason why I left their employment (at the interview, I just said that I left following a the introduction of a new computer system and a departmental restructure - absolutely true.).
Any advice/reassurance would be greatly appreciated!

Yes they can say why you left as long as it's true.

LittleVoice

stressedout9 wrote: »

Hi,

Sorry to bore everyone on here, but what I'd like to know is......can my previous employers (who dismissed me for gross misconduct) scupper my chances of getting a new job if/when asked for a reference?
I was dismissed as I was alleged to have signed a client's cheque (I didn't). No proof was needed, the firm (a legal practice) just needed to suspect me enough of doing it, which they have done. I worked there for 5 years. I have lodged a claim with an Employment Tribunal, and this is due to be heard in the next fortnight.
After months of applying (fruitlessly) for jobs, last week I was offered one, which I accepted, and I start work there this week. The jobs are similar - finance roles - and I'm a bit worried that if the new company asks the old one the reason why I left their employment (at the interview, I just said that I left following a the introduction of a new computer system and a departmental restructure - absolutely true.).
Any advice/reassurance would be greatly appreciated!

What is your ET claim for? You know they didn't need proof like for a court of law: they just needed not to be unreasonable in their decision. Did they not follow proper procedures?

If they decide to offer to pay you something in order to save their time attending the ET, you could seek an agreed form for any future reference. They don't have to agree to that and they may say it would be misleading a prospective employer if they did not mention the actual reason for your dismissal and they would owe a duty of care to that employer if they did offer a reference.

Though the reasons you gave your potential employer (new system and re-structure) may reflect what was also going on at the time, you realise that you are misleading them.

stressedout9

My ET claim is for unfair dismissal; incorporating loss of wages from dismissal up to now, and, more importantly, defamation - a slur on my good name and character, essential in the type of jobs I am applying for.

tir21

if the choice is between lying and not getting another job and being truthful and never getting another job - what idiot would advise truthfulness?

Torry_Quine

tir21 wrote: »

if the choice is between lying and not getting another job and being truthful and never getting another job - what idiot would advise truthfulness?

What idiot would lie thereby risking any job they may get when the truth is found out?