MSE News: Margaret Thatcher 'leader to knock Britain into shape'

wouldbeqaulitymoneysaver

pqrdef wrote: »

No they wouldn't, they'd just laugh. You credit them with too much humanity.

Well that is because a nasty vicious war is waged against Claimants by the Neo liberal Right wingers hence the zero tolerance policy.
I along with many other Claimants would rather escape the financial hellhole that is benefits to live a normal life but disablism, mentalism, ageism and lack of radical cultural change on a socio-economic level is never given the political will by the Politicans who are up the !!!! of the Corporations.
Yeah maybe I am a bit lax on us, maybe I don't see the other side. But on a more practical level I do wonder how the !!!! people like me, the scum of the earth are supposed to get into a position where we completely and absolutely escape their grip in way that is economically viable for us.
MSE wanting Thatcher back is niave and shows they don't really understand the root realities of benefits claimants, their REAL unpercieved needs like social mobility for instance, because it dont !!!!ing exist in the minds of the powers that be, so our real needs are denied.
Blair, Thatcher, Ed Milliband, Cameron, they are all part of what I believe is a de facto One Party State.
Hence my position probably pedantically and arrogantly held that people like us need to get at the facts BY THEMSELVES, SELF EDUCATE! SO YOU CAN MORE REASONABLY WORK OUT THE ARGUMENTS FOR THEMSELVES AND BE LESS LIKELY TO HAVE THEIR OPINIONS MANUFACTURED BY THE LIKES OF THE DAILY HATE AND THE TORY MEDIA.

wouldbeqaulitymoneysaver

The last Election was a battle ground with the powers that be desperate that no truly Progressive and Left Wing people be denied power even though popular as Nick Clegg was in the glory days of the Libdems.
When the Coalition was formed the powers that be, Big Business, the City and the aristo bankers rejoiced. They have skewed politics to serve their interests.
It is a pity people don't recognise this. That's why I support#OWS. We need to scrap the current political system and all of us people make a new one!!!

opinions4u

I long ago lost interest in party politics.

They're all as bad as each other.

But it somewhat amazes me that, on a money saving web site, so much apparent support for the party of extraordinary overspending exists.

It seems to me somewhat ironic that those who manage their money prudently are inevitably the ones who have to bail out those who don't. Be it through a tax and benefit system, or a flawed single currency etc. If the British government overspends, the people have to pay. Through their taxes and their pensions.

I don't see how that's right.

Still, each to his own.

wouldbeqaulitymoneysaver

opinions4u wrote: »

I long ago lost interest in party politics.

They're all as bad as each other.

But it somewhat amazes me that, on a money saving web site, so much apparent support for the party of extraordinary overspending exists.

It seems to me somewhat ironic that those who manage their money prudently are inevitably the ones who have to bail out those who don't. Be it through a tax and benefit system, or a flawed single currency etc. If the British government overspends, the people have to pay. Through their taxes and their pensions.

I don't see how that's right.

Still, each to his own.

I don't trust any of the main Political parties. I only vote for one MP Bob Russell because he is genuinely the real deal. I feel able to talk to him even though I hate loathe despise his loathsome Party and the Blue Blooded Condem Coalition.
hence my support of #ows. The politicans have !!!!ed our wealth up the tax evaders !!!! and now it is a time for new politics based on the PEOPLE not big business and the Aristocracy.

dunstonh

But it somewhat amazes me that, on a money saving web site, so much apparent support for the party of extraordinary overspending exists.

LOL. That made me chuckle. You are right.

If the Labour Govt was a poster to this forum then the forum they would spend most of their time in Debt Free Wannabee section . However, they would probably be one of those posters that cant see it yet and wont post in there as they are too busy in the mortgage and credit card sections looking to remortgage and borrow more to shuffle it around.

Every Govt has positives and negatives. The lack of awareness of Labour negatives and the assumption that Labour = good and Conservatives = bad cannot be a good thing for the future. We get the Govt we deserve by the way we vote. We rarely get the Govt we want and even less so the Govt we need.

Doc_N

I see we're, inevitably, getting all the usual nonsense (put about by the Tory propaganda machine and the Taxpayers' Alliance - not that there's much difference between them) about Labour overspending.

Complete and utter garbage - don't believe everything you read in the (largely) Tory-controlled press.

It wasn't Labour that caused the deficit. It was the recession. And who caused the recession? The City, with characteristic greed and complex financial instruments which few people understood, and which went badly wrong when they imploded.

There was a massive cost, which we're all still paying for. But what would you have had Labour do in that situation? Allow the banking system to collapse, with all the small investors losing their savings and pensions?

Labour spent because they had to spend to get Britain out of the crisis that the banks and financial sector had created. They also, however, managed to get NHS waiting lists down so that people didn't have to wait two years for an operation, as they did under the Tories.

Now we get all this rubbish from the Tories, still pushing the lie about Labour overspending while unemployment rockets, the economy gets progressively worse, the NHS is collapsing around us, libraries and other public services are shutting down, and the Bullingdon Club cronies Cameron and Osborne try to convince everyone that 'we're all in this together'.

Thank goodness by the time the next election comes along this lot will have run out of their excuses for having made such a pig's ear of the economy, and their lies will no longer work.

JuicyJesus

dunstonh wrote: »

The current system favours Labour. The Conservatives have to get more votes just to equal Labour due to the distribution.

Erm, but they still seem to have no problems winning elections. Why fix what isn't broken? Boundaries should be decided on apolitical grounds, not "these ones let the lefties win".

cloughja

This poll obviously wasn't done in Scotland!

villa2010

gt94sss2 wrote: »

No, it doesn't.

Arguably, more people are slightly right of centre in the UK - witness Labour having to rebrand itself as 'New Labour' to appeal to the swing vote.

Many Lib Dems are also centre right - ex. tories who can't bring themselves to vote labour. Of course, many are ex. labour supporters who couldn't bring themselves to vote conservative. I suspect you will find large regional variations in this (and that the lib dems would promote different policies in different areas).

Though, left and right wing mean very little really - in America, even the most 'right wing' UK people would probably be considered democrats..

Regards
Sunil

I am not going to argue those figures. They are what they are.

New Labour were not about being right of center that's laughable it was about the fight for the middle ground NOT right of center.

The figures were taken from the last general election. New Labours peak and dizzy heights came under Tony Blair NOT Gordon Brown.

Are you suggesting that the majority of Labours manifesto for the last General election was prodimently right of center. If so I strongly suggest you read it again.

If your arguing the point that there are people in the Liberals that are really center right wing voters. Then I will argue the point that there are Tories who really are Liberal, which there are. So in this case they cancel each other out.

In those number above you are presuming that all voters no the differnce between right wing and left wing.There are a lot of people in the country who are un-politicized and do not have a clue about politics. If you asked them what was the difference between left wing and right wing they would probably say David Beckham and Ashley Young. So how can people be right wing or left wing if they don't even know what it means.

Labour are traditionally left wing and they will be left of center under Milliband as he is endearing to the trade Unions.

The Liberal Democrats are traditional left of center. Just read there manifesto.

Between them they received 14.5 million votes at the last election.

The Tories received 10 Million.

Did you answer my question on how many were people were unemployed under Thatcher..?

Also do you think people can be persuaded who to vote for by the media?

Rupert_Bear

Im sure Meryl Streep will do Mrs T Proud!