MSE News: Margaret Thatcher 'leader to knock Britain into shape'

JuicyJesus

dunstonh wrote: »

And most of them voted Labour at the last election.

Because there are no morons out there who voted Tory?

Have you read the Daily Mail or Express comments sections before? Plenty of myopic, price-of-everything-value-of-nothing, parochial, occasionally xeno/homo/Islamophobic cretins there, and no doubt they went for the candidate with a blue rosette.

So when Labour get a majority (or any votes at all, come to that) their voters are idiots, but if Tories get a majority then their voters must be informed and intelligent? Basic mathematics shows that as nonsense.

I didn't vote Labour, for what it's worth. I just think smearing every single Labour or Tory or Lib Dem voter as an idiot is unproductive at best.

villa2010

dunstonh wrote: »

And most of them voted Labour at the last election.

Do you mean Labour or New Labour.

Doc_N

dunstonh wrote: »

And most of them voted Labour at the last election.

I think you'll find that it was the idiots that voted for David Cameron and his useless economy-wrecking sidekick George Osborne - both of them very rich indeed, with privileged backgrounds, and members of the infamous Bullingdon Club whilst at Oxford. You know - the club with the reputation for rioting and criminal damage by its members.

I rather like the story about what fellow-Tory Patrick Mercer is alleged to have said about Cameron:

Conservative MP Patrick Mercer has refused to discuss claims he called David Cameron a "despicable creature without any redeeming features".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15717336


How people could have been persuaded to vote for this nasty, unpleasant bunch of self-seekers still escapes me. They're doing their very best to wreck both the economy and the NHS, along with the social fabric of the country, and 18 months in they're still trying to blame the last government (and now Europe) for the carnage they're creating!

opinions4u

How people could have been persuaded to vote for this nasty, unpleasant bunch of self-seekers still escapes me

It was probably something to do with the previous bunch of nasty, unpleasant and incompetent self-seekers.

and 18 months in they're still trying to blame the last government (and now Europe) for the carnage they're creating!

They do have a case.

Moreso than any of the times in very recent years that Labour ministers blamed a Tory government for stuff that had happened more than a decade earlier.

villa2010

Doc_N wrote: »

How people could have been persuaded to vote for this nasty, unpleasant bunch of self-seekers still escapes me.

This says it all and may answer your question..!


I went to Eaton paid a lot for knowledge.
I joined the bullingdon crew at colledge.

Thats where I caught his eye (Gideon)
He told me that his dad was loaded
I said mine too we should run this country.
He said ya, we should run this country.

And in 30 seconds time I realized.
I will need the votes of the common people
I must PRETEND to do the things that common people do
And then we will !!!! on common people like you.
What else would I do
I M a Torie and thats what I do.

check the video out - classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFTtYx2OHc

villa2010

opinions4u wrote: »

It was probably something to do with the previous bunch of nasty, unpleasant and incompetent self-seekers.

They do have a case.

Oh really - Tell me this did they commit to Labours spending plans up until 2009...?

Doc_N

villa2010 wrote: »

This says it all and may answer your question..!


I went to Eaton paid a lot for knowledge.
I joined the bullingdon crew at colledge.

Thats where I caught his eye (Gideon)
He told me that his dad was loaded
I said mine too we should run this country.
He said ya, we should run this country.

And in 30 seconds time I realized.
I will need the votes of the common people
I must PRETEND to do the things that common people do
And then we will !!!! on common people like you.
What else would I do
I M a Torie and thats what I do.

check the video out - classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFTtYx2OHc

As you say - a classic video! Brilliantly written and executed. 949,063 views - well worth watching to show what Tories are really like, and really up to. The Lib Dems have a lot to be ashamed of, but I'd rather have them there keeping some sort of check on this evil bunch than not.

There's a fascinating book by Owen Jones (Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class). In it, Jones refers, amongst many other things, to the legacy of Margaret Thatcher, and the impact it's still having. He also relates his attendance, as an Oxford undergraduate in the 2000s, of a speech by a moderate, senior Conservative politician:

So that he could speak candidly, aspiring student journalists were barred from reporting on the speech and we were sworn to preserve his anonymity. It soon became clear why. As the logs crackled in the fireplace on a rainy November evening, the Tory grandee made a stunning confession.

"What you have to realise about the Conservative Party", he said as though it was a trivial, throwaway comment, "is that it is a coalition of privileged interests. Its main purpose is to defend that privilege. And the way it wins elections is by giving just enough to just enough other people."

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people vote Conservative without being aware of this crucial point, which the Tories so cleverly conceal.

villa2010

Great points.

Although the media do have a huge part to play in which government is elected.

I despise Clegg for going in to partnership with them. Although this was planned long before the GE in 2010. There will be large consequences for the Libs after this.

10 million people voted for the Tories
8 million - Labour
6 - Million Lib.

Which tells us more people are slightly left of center. Yet the Tories got into power.

JuicyJesus

villa2010 wrote: »

Great points.

Although the media do have a huge part to play in which government is elected.

I despise Clegg for going in to partnership with them. Although this was planned long before the GE in 2010. There will be large consequences for the Libs after this.

10 million people voted for the Tories
8 million - Labour
6 - Million Lib.

Which tells us more people are slightly left of center. Yet the Tories got into power.

Why do you think the Tories were so dead set against the Alternative Vote system? It would lead to them being utterly curb-stomped in every election, in every seat except the bluest of the blue.

And why do you think they're so insistent on reducing the number of MPs? It's basically gerrymandering. The changes round my parts will result in a solid Lib Dem seat and a solid Tory seat becoming two solid Tory seats, with no real good reasons for the change.

I'm rather more furious with the Lib Dems for enabling these c**** to act the way they are. They should have known better.

Doc_N

JuicyJesus wrote: »

And why do you think they're so insistent on reducing the number of MPs? It's basically gerrymandering.

The Tories have a pretty good track record in gerrymandering.

Witness, to take just two examples, the disgraced Tesco heiress Shirley Porter and her 'homes for votes' scandal in Westminster, and of course the blessed Margaret who bought votes by selling off council houses cheap, with all the problems that's since brought.