Teacher and public sector pension

The_Angry_Jock

You reminded me of a maths teacher I used to have back in secondary school, 2 years I had classes with him, and I don't think I learned anything because he was either drunk or hungover. He also had this habit of eating grapes and spitting the seeds at the pupils on the front row, he once got "disciplined" for throwing a book at a pupils face and giving them a fair few papercuts. Nothing happened.


I also had another teacher in 5th year who set up a SNES so we spent the whole year playing Super Mario World...much preferable to European Politics at that age (and this age too TBH)


The support system for pupils at my school was a complete farce as well, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

DCodd

The_Angry_Jock wrote: »

You reminded me of a maths teacher I used to have back in secondary school, 2 years I had classes with him, and I don't think I learned anything because he was either drunk or hungover. He also had this habit of eating grapes and spitting the seeds at the pupils on the front row, he once got "disciplined" for throwing a book at a pupils face and giving them a fair few papercuts. Nothing happened.


I also had another teacher in 5th year who set up a SNES so we spent the whole year playing Super Mario World...much preferable to European Politics at that age (and this age too TBH)


The support system for pupils at my school was a complete farce as well, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

Too true, I had teachers that went out of lessons for a fag and it wasn't tobacco. Went on an overnight school trip and our Biology teacher showed us how to fire the shotgun he had in the boot of his car. So many lessons wasted and a fair few spent cowering from an over agressive and violent teacher.

But that is my point, those days are long gone but many still believe that this is a true reflection of a Teaching job today.

atush

Not many think that. We value our teachers. My kids politics teacher used to work in a bank lol.

No point in saying private workers can quit if they don't like their jobs, there aren't that many out there to get another.

What we are really saying is, that people are living longer, and the previous govt spent everything and more so it can't be put off. So public sector pensions have to change somewhat. I know that isn't what the workers want to hear, but it will happen.

Whatever you do, if you are in the public sector, keep paying into your pensions and dont you let anyone talk you out of it. IT will be the best decision you ever make.

sheffield_lad

lindsaygalaxy wrote: »

It's not just about the pensions or only effect teachers. No teacher works 9-5 or a 40 hour week - its much much more! The job takes over your life and you never get a proper break from it. Everything you do has to fit around term time, and holidays have to be at the most expensive times. The figures the papers keep giving out are not a fair comparison as they are based on you working 8 more years. Parents want the best education for their children, but they are happy to let a 68 year old do that teaching! Really?!?! It is an exhausting job, as is nursing, fireman etc and the pay does not match the time, effort or stress.

But its alright for a Plumber, carpet fitter, brick layer or anyone else in a demanding private sector job to work to 68 is it? lol

What they will do is get a less strenuous job in a shop or warehouse until they claim their retirement why is that soooooo beneath teachers?

And whats all this taking over your life business? You teach till 3.30 so that's an hour and half before you go home. Then there is the 13 weeks sorry I repeat THIRTEEN weeks off!!!!!! When will you ever join the real world with the rest of us?

Bigsmak

My girlfriend is a teacher at primary school.

She leaves at 7.30 in the morning, she gets home at about 6.20, just missing home and away which she will sky plus and fast forward through.

After dinner, (which I usually make) she will sit with stuff from school for at least an hour. Sometimes I am drafted in to cut out hedgehog shapes or spiders legs for her class the next day.

She works hard, she is good at her job, she loves her job. At the moment she is exhausted. I guess running around after 33 9 year olds can be a little tiring.

She wont be striking either as we sat and discussed everything.

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However for anyone to come on here and say there jobs is harder than someone elses is an idiot. It doesn't matter if you are a teacher or a plumber or an IFA....

I worked in the oil industry after university for a few year, sometimes in below freezing conditions putting in a minimum 12 hour shift for 2 weeks straight. I think that is hard work..

DCodd

Bigsmak wrote: »

However for anyone to come on here and say there jobs is harder than someone elses is an idiot. It doesn't matter if you are a teacher or a plumber or an IFA....

I worked in the oil industry after university for a few year, sometimes in below freezing conditions putting in a minimum 12 hour shift for 2 weeks straight. I think that is hard work..

Not really.

As I have asked in many a previous thread. Can anyone tell me any other profession that expects their employees to be subject to verbal and sometimes physical abuse in the workplace with little or no protection available?

Backbiter

DCodd wrote: »

Not really.

As I have asked in many a previous thread. Can anyone tell me any other profession that expects their employees to be subject to verbal and sometimes physical abuse in the workplace with little or no protection available?

A footballer? Cricketer? rugby player?

You have a point, though. When I go through the Severn Bridge Toll booths, I always see the sign "Abuse of our staff will lead to prosecution", and wonder why this doesn't apply in hospitals and schools.

atush

It should.

You have a big point. And all such pupils have no business being in a mainstream school if they can't behave in a normal way. How can you teach (and protect your other pupils) with that going on?

xylophone

lindsaygalaxy wrote: »

It's not just about the pensions or only effect teachers. No teacher works 9-5 or a 40 hour week - its much much more! The job takes over your life and you never get a proper break from it. Everything you do has to fit around term time, and holidays have to be at the most expensive times. The figures the papers keep giving out are not a fair comparison as they are based on you working 8 more years. Parents want the best education for their children, but they are happy to let a 68 year old do that teaching! Really?!?! It is an exhausting job, as is nursing, fireman etc and the pay does not match the time, effort or stress.

Just with regard to a teacher's having to work to the age of 68, I can only say that one of the best teachers I ever came across had to retire from the job she loved at 65 (it was a while ago!).

She continued on as a private tutor for many years but what a loss to the (State) teaching profession.

Bigsmak

DCodd wrote: »

Not really.

As I have asked in many a previous thread. Can anyone tell me any other profession that expects their employees to be subject to verbal and sometimes physical abuse in the workplace with little or no protection available?

I understand this, but it sounds like you cant control your class. Or you don't have the management support to deal with the problem pupils.