Teacher and public sector pension

DCodd

tillycat123 wrote: »

I read this and thought it must be a joke!!! I collect my son from secondary school. Most of the teachers a whizzing off in their cars at 3pm before the kids have even got out of the gates!

My point proved, laser.

CannySaver_2

DCodd wrote: »

When the private pensions were returning 10% yearly, were there any call from private sector workers for the public sector to benefit from their gains?

When was that exactly?

DCodd

DCodd wrote: »

I saw an article a few years ago (I think it was from the OECD) that calculated the average return on private pension funds fron the early 80's to 2005. It suggested that the average return in the UK private pension funds was 10.1% over that 10 - 15 year period. Personaly, I don't believe it but it does show how headline figures are so very misleading.

CannySaver wrote: »

When was that exactly?

See above....

Old_Slaphead

lindsaygalaxy wrote: »

It's not just about the pensions or only effect teachers. No teacher works 9-5 or a 40 hour week - its much much more!

You're having a laugh, right?

My local gym has a teachers 5 a side soccer league that starts at 3:30 on Fridays.

As with most professions, some do a lot more - but not everyone!!

tillycat123

Just read my Sister in Laws facebook page. She's a head teacher. At 4.30 today she put.

''Just LEAVING the hairdressers''

She earns £60k a year and 39 years old......

lazer

DCodd wrote: »

I'm sorry lazer but we may get accused of being "only bean counters" as a profession, lawyers may be labelled as "making money out of other peoples woes" etc etc but the Teacher gets told that they work from 9 - 3.15, get 13 weeks holiday a year, 5 inset days of jollies and a gold plated pension to boot. In short thay are regarded as having an easy time and over paid as well.

It is not suprising that Teachers are defining their working life for the masses because the masses are ill informed and deliberately misled as to the realities of the Teaching profession and many people would be horrified by the realities of the Teaching profession.

Don't get annoyed, inform yourself about the working lives of these people. Forget the "I have a mate who knows a teacher" brigade and find out for yourself. I did and my God they really do earn every penny they get.

Teachers don't have any easier or any harder than every other profession, that is my point - yes they earn their wages, but so does everyone else.

I am tired of listening to them thinking they are worse off than the private sector, they're not. Every job has it perks with teaching it is the holidays, with the private sector, it can vary, some jobs its the holiday flexibilty, compancy car, bonus structure or whatever (although I get none of those things - so not quite sure what the perk of my job is!)

Actually, my previous housemate was a teacher and so is my brother, so I am informed about their working lives and neither of them complained about being overworked, in fact my housemate worked full time over the summer holdiays - except for 2 weeks, when she went off on holiday. My brother tutors after school for 2 nights a week.

DCodd

lazer wrote: »

Teachers don't have any easier or any harder than every other profession, that is my point - yes they earn their wages, but so does everyone else.

I am tired of listening to them thinking they are worse off than the private sector, they're not. Every job has it perks with teaching it is the holidays, with the private sector, it can vary, some jobs its the holiday flexibilty, compancy car, bonus structure or whatever (although I get none of those things - so not quite sure what the perk of my job is!)

Actually, my previous housemate was a teacher and so is my brother, so I am informed about their working lives and neither of them complained about being overworked, in fact my housemate worked full time over the summer holdiays - except for 2 weeks, when she went off on holiday. My brother tutors after school for 2 nights a week.

Some of the school staff have far harder than anyone has it in the private sector.

the 2 schools I have been invited into and others that my o/h has worked at were real eye openers. The treatment of the staff would lead to prosectution if it was in the private sector but it is regarded as the norm in many schools.

lazer

DCodd wrote: »

Some of the school staff have far harder than anyone has it in the private sector.

the 2 schools I have been invited into and others that my o/h has worked at were real eye openers. The treatment of the staff would lead to prosectution if it was in the private sector but it is regarded as the norm in many schools.

How do you know that? You can't know everyone in the private sector, some people work for really bad employers.
If someone doesn't like where they are working, they can leave or go elsewhere.

Likewise, if a teacher doesn't like teh treatment they are getting at the school they are working in, they can go to another school.

Do you mean the treatment of staff from the pupils or from the heads, other teachers and parents?

The_Angry_Jock

DCodd wrote: »

Some of the school staff have far harder than anyone has it in the private sector.

That's quite a bold statement.

DCodd

lazer wrote: »

How do you know that? You can't know everyone in the private sector, some people work for really bad employers.
If someone doesn't like where they are working, they can leave or go elsewhere.

Likewise, if a teacher doesn't like teh treatment they are getting at the school they are working in, they can go to another school.

Do you mean the treatment of staff from the pupils or from the heads, other teachers and parents?

From Pupils, senior management and parents.

I know that if anyone in the private sector was subject to physical and verbal abuse on a regular basis that legal proceedings would follow. That very rarely happens in the School environment as the system says that it is automatically the adults fault, so offers little or no support.