Public Sector Pension Strikes – A JOKE !

dizzie

pioneer22 wrote: »

You work in the private sector yet you complain about your pensions, if working in the public sector is so good and you get so many amazing perks from doing it, well you can always retrain and come and join us.

Oh dear Pioneer...if we all joined the public sector, wouldn't that make us a...Communist state?

And where would the revenue come from to pay this (even more inflated) public sector?

snowcat53

michelle1506 wrote: »

Believe what you want Snowcat, I know what my pension statement says! It suits you to doubt my word.

Believe it or not Michelle people like me are trying to help you as we believe you have seriously misinterpreted what your pension will be.

Furthermore you are also using those figures to argue that public sector pensions are not as good (goldplated) as everyone makes out. So if you present figures that are wrong or misleading others are absolutely entitled to challenge you for over-egging your argument.

And before you accuse me of being a basher of public sector workers you should know I am one myself

mr-angry

howee wrote: »

When you finally lift your heads out of the sand and stop believing you are the 'special ones' you do a job for the public.

you are a public servant, not the other way around.

Welcome to planet earth, the rest of us have the same struggles but we have just got on with it. The difference now is we are sick of paying not only for our futures but for yours too!

GRRRR

I have read this thread through and nowhere does anyone imply they are "the special ones."

Yes, public sector workers actually form the public too.

You (the public) are not paying for their future, you are paying for a service for which they (public servants) get paid a salary some of which is deferred until retirement.

sheffield_lad

mr-angry wrote: »

You (the public) are not paying for their future, you are paying for a service for which they (public servants) get paid a salary some of which is deferred until retirement.

Right in that case, we need to/are going to negotiate a small proportion of (your words), salary.

I pay 3% more since this April, I am now going to be working until I am 67, I have lost my final salary and now have a career average.

I accept all of the above (thank god), we are all living longer. So if I and millions more accept this why can't (some), PS workers?

Putting your head in the sand will never work, their is a massive gulf in FAIRNESS between private and public and with fewer and fewer private workers having any pension why should they be subsidising yours? Which is exactly what they will be doing if the reforms didn't happen.

dizzie

mr-angry wrote: »

I have read this thread through and nowhere does anyone imply they are "the special ones."

Yes, public sector workers actually form the public too.

You (the public) are not paying for their future, you are paying for a service for which they (public servants) get paid a salary some of which is deferred until retirement.

It is "union speak" to talk of this as "deferred salary". Private sector workers don't talk about their pension schemes in such a way. We've already been over the fact that there used to be a huge divide between public and private sector wages, and the excellent pension scheme was seen as compensation for this. But that huge wage divide no longer exists on average. Surely then, because wages are so much better than they used to be, you are getting more of your cake today and there is less to be "deferred" until tomorrow.

Interestingly, I "defer" some of my own salary for my future. Trouble is, I either have to watch it ride the stockmarket roller coaster, or keep it in safer options and watch it get eroded by inflation. Please be thankful that you are not in a similar situation!

mr-angry

dizzie wrote: »

It is "union speak" to talk of this as "deferred salary". Private sector workers don't talk about their pension schemes in such a way. We've already been over the fact that there used to be a huge divide between public and private sector wages, and the excellent pension scheme was seen as compensation for this. But that huge wage divide no longer exists on average. Surely then, because wages are so much better than they used to be, you are getting more of your cake today and there is less to be "deferred" until tomorrow.

Interestingly, I "defer" some of my own salary for my future. Trouble is, I either have to watch it ride the stockmarket roller coaster, or keep it in safer options and watch it get eroded by inflation. Please be thankful that you are not in a similar situation!

Call it what you like "union speak" or whatever but the pension and pay are a package that come with the job. Generally in the private sector that is not the case so yes I dare say you will make your own provision as you see fit.

Pay parity between public and private, we could all come on here giving examples to suit our arguments but I still think there is generally a divide between them both (my opinion).

pioneer22

dizzie wrote: »

Oh dear Pioneer...if we all joined the public sector, wouldn't that make us a...Communist state?

And where would the revenue come from to pay this (even more inflated) public sector?

Im talking about the handful of people on here who are complaining about public sector pensions. I love for you to come and do my job for a few days.

dizzie

There may still be a divide in some areas, but is certainly nowhere near as large as it used to be. Would you rather keep your pension as it is and take a salary cut to widen that divide again? Some people in the private sector have had to take a pay cut to keep their jobs (and I'm not talking about the fiscal drag "pay cut" of a cap of 1% pay increase for two years...I'm talking about the sort of pay cut which means you get physically less than you did last year.)

You'll still have a strong pension scheme even after reforms and you'll have the security of knowing what you'll get. On the other hand, I get my pension statements each year, groan and wonder how many tins of baked beans it will buy when I retire (and thats no joke).

dizzie

pioneer22 wrote: »

Im talking about the handful of people on here who are complaining about public sector pensions. I love for you to come and do my job for a few days.

Pioneer, I've worked in both sectors so I have some insider knowledge from both. Why would you love me to come and do your job for a few days? Do you think I wouldn't cope? I can assure you that being on call in a hospital 24/7..and now running a business has made me a pretty tough cookie. Perhaps we can do a swap?

sheffield_lad

dizzie wrote: »

Pioneer, I've worked in both sectors so I have some insider knowledge from both. Why would you love me to come and do your job for a few days? Do you think I wouldn't cope? I can assure you that being on call in a hospital 24/7..and now running a business has made me a pretty tough cookie. Perhaps we can do a swap?

Agree with Dizzie, I have worked 6 days a week for the past 15yrs and rarely have a lunch hr (unless you class the apples in the car).