Public Sector Pension Strikes – A JOKE !

The_Angry_Jock

Whatcho talkin' 'bout Willis?
Diff'rent Strokes

Flyboy152

worldwheeler wrote: »

The MSM propaganda machine is mighty. It convinces people that they have power because they can decide which sellout-ibrity can dance the best, or which singer has the right to be a puppet money earner for Simon. Some people are so far into the smoke and mirrors they will not be aware of anything that effects their lives until the door of the oven they were guided into shuts behind them. So the propaganda machine will easily persuade people that ALL truth comes from the telly.
Black Mirror

Are you sure you have posted on the right thread?

Moby

dshart wrote: »

So please tell me what did the 26 sign up to if it was not an agreement for state budgets to be scrutinized and agreed by Europe before they could be implemented?

Sorry...been away...what I was saying is that there is no actual treaty yet, not even in draft form. Also any future treaty would enable opt outs for us. What I'm simply saying is there was no need for Cameron to have walked out at that stage....! He now has no influence over what happens in future meetings.......but we will still be affected!

Look at it this way....Cameron says he would have signed it if we had been offered the transaction tax opt out clause. You can therefore deduce he wasn't really worried about what he was signing up to!....but he was worried about his europhobes and how they would see it.

He will have a short term bounce in the polls because 'the public' love a leader who stands up to the Germans and French. The reality of what is happening now and our future prospects in this new environment is hard to explain and is lost on most people though.

atush

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

And can you tell that to the 65 year old miner with dust lung and the 65 year old navvie without a joint left????

my point was, if you can find MSE, you know how to navigate a computer. And Google will get you most places.

The information you want is out there, if you can be bothered.

dshart

Moby wrote: »

Sorry...been away...what I was saying is that there is no actual treaty yet, not even in draft form. Also any future treaty would enable opt outs for us. What I'm simply saying is there was no need for Cameron to have walked out at that stage....! He now has no influence over what happens in future meetings.......but we will still be affected!

Look at it this way....Cameron says he would have signed it if we had been offered the transaction tax opt out clause. You can therefore deduce he wasn't really worried about what he was signing up to!....but he was worried about his europhobes and how they would see it.

He will have a short term bounce in the polls because 'the public' love a leader who stands up to the Germans and French. The reality of what is happening now and our future prospects in this new environment is hard to explain and is lost on most people though.

Well only time will tell if this was the right decision or not. I do not think he was left with any choice as the French were not going to agree to anything he wanted. The new French presidential candidate is already talking about renegotiating the agreement if he gets elected and the ink is not even dry on the first copy. It has also yet to be seen if they can use the existing European bodies to oversee any such agreement, so they may yet have to come back to DC and negotiate.

You have to remember that the Eurosceptics are quite a large section in the party and he has to keep them happy to as well as the LibDems who form the coalition. If he does not manage to keep all sides happy we could be facing another election and another hung parliament which at the current time would be the worst possible outcome for the country. If he had signed the Eurosceptics would be baying for a referendum now as it is a change to the treaty and judging by the current public opinion that would have put us out of Europe altogether. In general its is a rock and a hard place, but I think with what he was face with he made the right choice.

Yes it would have been nice if other countries had sided with him, but most had no choice but to accept the conditions and the rest hedged their bets probably knowing what DC was going to be forced to do.

BobQ

MikeR71 wrote: »

And all this will continue until people seriously get off their asses and do something. So long as everyone is happy to be part of this unjust system then nothing will change. It will only get worse.

Those who complained about public sector strikes saying it caused inconvenience are extremely short-sighted. When people decide to stand up for themselves and their rights they are put down by their own kind, which is the most disappointing thing.

Of how true this is. Ordinary people have never gained anything worthwhile without fighting for it. So many these days think pensions, good working conditions, better healthcare whatever were provided through the generosity of the 1%. They will have to learn the hard way.

atush

Oh I know all this. It's just hard to take when the same Philip Greene is employed as an adviser, probably paid out of the tax payer purse, by the government.

If he is being paid for work done here in the UK, he will be taxed on it. At his highest rate. Just like you or me?

Is he slimy? Yes. Would i want him to give help to the Govmt? Yes. If he can save them rather than costing them money.

All that money Labour spent on Quangos and nothing to see for it. Shamefull.

MikeR71

Labour wasted a lot of money, which contributed to the mess we are in.

In my view the entire political system requires a shake up. True Labour doesn't exist anymore, it went out long ago and 'Bliar' put the last nail in its coffin.

As I said above, the only real solution is for ordinary people to wake up. But that's very unrealistic too. Politicians, no matter from which party, will always be slaves to big businesses and other rotten parts of the establishment.