Public Sector Pension Strikes – A JOKE !

DCodd

dshart wrote: »

Interesting how majority of private sertor workers in DB schemes cannot take them till aged 65, yet the public sector workers are arguing against a similar change.

Thats not true though. The Teachers and the LGPS retirement age is currently 65. What they are arguing against is a rise to 68.

Old_Slaphead

DCodd wrote: »

Thats not true though. The Teachers and the LGPS retirement age is currently 65. What they are arguing against is a rise to 68.

Many retiring over the next decade will still be able to take a substantial portion of benefits (ie pre 2008 accruals in case of LGPS) from age 60.

DCodd

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Many retiring over the next decade will still be able to take a substantial portion of benefits (ie pre 2008 accruals in case of LGPS) from age 60.

But that will be the case anyway, so there is no argument regarding the retirement age being currently 65.

rachelhen

Actually dsHART we don't get overtime we have to fit more in or work longer with no extra pay.

J_i_m

rachelhen wrote: »

Actually dsHART we don't get overtime we have to fit more in or work longer with no extra pay.

I'm aware that teachers don't tend to get paid overtime (I.e they do lots of unpaid work outside of hours), yet that's not true of the public sector at large. In the NHS we get paid overtime, indeed we even have an overtime rate (time x1.5). Though as I alluded to earlier some trusts have elected to get round paying overtime rate by only covering shifts via the bank nurse agency who pay standard rate. It's still time/work paid for though.

DCodd

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

As you say the loopholes are legitimate - it's in the power of government (of all persuasions) to stop them. It's hardly the fault on (most of) the private sector if public sector governance (ie MPs) is too incompetent to manage things properly. Same goes with defence spending , IT waste etc etc.

As for public sector enforcement of "legitimate debts" - haven't HMRC agreed to a recent £18bn w/o with Goldman Sacs & Vodaphone - who should pay for that ?

Sorry Old slaphead, I missed your earlier post.

I happen to agree with everything you have said but would like to make 2 comments.

It is not the fault of the private sector at all but equally it should not fall to the public sector employee to suffer the consequences of that lack of "Political will" to upset the upper echelons.

I doubt HMRC agreed to the deal without a large Politicaly wealded stick some where in the equation (pure speculation of course).

WaxiesDargle

Support the strike action!

the race to the bottom mentality is a sorry way to go ..."I haven't got it so neither should you"...lets get everyone to a decent standard of living instead of allowing some to wallow in poverty. The blame for this mess should be put squarely on the bankers doorstep

A lot of what we see today is right up camerons street...everything he wanted in his manifesto but was afraid to do...but now because of his banking mates he can virtually do whatever he likes and dress it up as 'we are all in this together' what utter tosh

pay more
get less
work longer

ooo yes, what a great way to rectify the bankers greed...lets get the kids up the chimneys while we're at it

The_Angry_Jock

...and someone else starts playing the broken record :j:j

ILW

WaxiesDargle wrote: »

Support the strike action!

the race to the bottom mentality is a sorry way to go ..."I haven't got it so neither should you"...lets get everyone to a decent standard of living instead of allowing some to wallow in poverty. The blame for this mess should be put squarely on the bankers doorstep

A lot of what we see today is right up camerons street...everything he wanted in his manifesto but was afraid to do...but now because of his banking mates he can virtually do whatever he likes and dress it up as 'we are all in this together' what utter tosh

pay more
get less
work longer

ooo yes, what a great way to rectify the bankers greed...lets get the kids up the chimneys while we're at it

More a matter of " I haven't got it so why should i have to pay yours?" Which seems a fair reaction to me.

J_i_m

WaxiesDargle wrote: »

Support the strike action!

the race to the bottom mentality is a sorry way to go ..."I haven't got it so neither should you"

In fairness I don't think that's what people are saying. However as tax payers people feel like they're paying for the pensions of the pubic sector. Even if if it's technically not quite true it's easy to see how people feel that way when their own pensions are effectively a joke.

The people who say that this them and us war between private & public employees is playing right into the governments hands are spot on. We shouldn't be fighting each other, we should be fighting the government. "Why are private pensions so rubbish? How are changes to the public pensions going to help the private or state pensions?"

Whilst we bicker childishly on places like these... The real tough questions are not being put to the government. And you can bet MPs will be retaining very generous pensions indeed.