Unemployment hits 2.6m. Over 1m 16-24 year olds out of work

Graham_Devon

morganedge wrote: »

Maybe there should be a new thread about why the youth seem so unemployable today. What's happened? Something to do with the education system?
I find it odd that exam results seem to be getting better and better every year.
All of my friends younger siblings seem to get lots of A*'s in their GCSE's yet are not half as clever as my friends who got B's and C's about 8 years earlier.
It baffles me.

Well they are taught about the benefits system and indeed, start receiving them in some cases, IN SCHOOL.

It's not really any surprise to find that these very people are then a bit snotty about working...or make absolutely no effort.

We can't lump everyone in the same boat, but there are certainly those who come out of school with rights, but no nothing of responsibilities.

Road_Hog

morganedge wrote: »

Maybe there should be a new thread about why the youth seem so unemployable today. What's happened? Something to do with the education system?
I find it odd that exam results seem to be getting better and better every year.
All of my friends younger siblings seem to get lots of A*'s in their GCSE's yet are not half as clever as my friends who got B's and C's about 8 years earlier.
It baffles me.

Exams get dumbed down every year, hence the better results, but the less intelligent school leavers.

System

morganedge wrote: »

Maybe there should be a new thread about why the youth seem so unemployable today. What's happened? Something to do with the education system?
I find it odd that exam results seem to be getting better and better every year.
All of my friends younger siblings seem to get lots of A*'s in their GCSE's yet are not half as clever as my friends who got B's and C's about 8 years earlier.
It baffles me.

Exactly, the vast majority of 16-24 year olds are borderline illiterate, rude, and punctuate with "lol" instead of commas and fullstops. Hardly surprising they can't find a job.

Intoodeep

gailey wrote: »

graduates have it tough as they have debt and end up in low paid job or no job at all.

In which case the poor old graduates won't have to pay back any of said 'debt' will they :j

paulmapp8306

Exams P)

Well, when I were a young'n we learned for 2 years - then had an exam that could include any of it. we had to learn all the stuff.

Now its continual assessment (what we call disc in learn, complete assessment - disc out), and where there are exams the kids are generally taught to the exam - so taught what they need to pass.

Now - I dont think thats learning. they are taught only what they need, and oly when they need it. Once its done it can be forgotton - move onto the next bit.

Its much easier to get A grades that way, yet retain less than someone with Cs 20 years ago.

Road_Hog

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

i was entertained by yesterday's story about the Work Programme - young unemployed graduates being forced to work at Tesco or lose their benefits. They wore the same uniform as staff, used the same facilities, but didn't get paid by Tesco.

So on one hand we have a lack of jobs. And on the other hand we have employers being given transient labour for free by the government.....

Tesco recruit many of their employees directly from Poland without even advertising the vacancies here.

setmefree2

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Exactly, the vast majority of 16-24 year olds are borderline illiterate, rude, and punctuate with "lol" instead of commas and fullstops. Hardly surprising they can't find a job.

lol! Nothing wrong with that

Jimmy_31

gailey wrote: »

newsnight did excelant peice on youth unemployment tuesday night speaking to group of young people.

Channel 4news did good peice last night out of the 90,000 vacancies in job centre 6.3people chasing each job break jobs down into sectors its worse.
graduates have it tough as they have debt and end up in low paid job or no job at all.

A lot of employment figures skewed as many people taken on part time work when they need fulltime hours to live.

my husband advertised a vacancy 8hours fully flexible temp retail position min wage got 300applications in 3days.

Employers have their pick of bunch. im looking for part time as have degree plus lots of experience but I have kids and cant be fully flexible so its harder.

my fil was carpenter he said his apprenticeship took 5years but before he retired they had watered it down to 18months nvq he said quality was rubbish.

apprenticeships used to be be good when my grand parents/parents were younger but last 10years anything non academic ie degree level has been massivly dumbed down with gnvqs and nvqs not really worth much bhut even gcses and alevels not preparing youngsters for workplace.

dont know what solution is some parents must think my child will never leave home as they cant afford to rent or buy.

Im considering retraining but means going to uni and wondering can I afford it will it guarantee me a job fairly well paid at end of it as tutions 9grand a year now im not in 18-24 group but young at heart grand old age of 31 always thourght in my head at 18 I be finacially sorted by now.

I always worked continually from age 15 up to when had 2nd child.

I would be so bored having no job and not having the kids.

My apprentiship consisted of doing nvq levels 1, 2, and 3 in carpentry and joinery and i learnt next to nothing at college.

Answers written on the board for theory exams.

Tutors signing you off for refitting something somebody else fitted.

Realising you had been signed off for something you hadnt even started yet.

Luckily i was only on 1 day a week at college, so the rest of my working week i was being taught by 2 old timers on site who knew everything there was to know about the job. I was placed with them for 4 years and learnt my trade the correct way, which im very thankful for.

Lots of the younger lads dont stand a chance of learning their trade on site nowadays as they are just used for cheap labour and spend a few days on some course nobodys heard of.

suki1001

Interesting. My and my hubby run our own business, which fortunately is doing ok, but I also work part time (the only position you can get in most shops) in a well known clothing store in a small town. I started working there a few months ago. They recently advertised for 4 positions and had 100 applicants.

A couple of years ago, when we were getting the business off the ground I went back to care work. There's never any shortage of jobs for carers, and I always worked for agencies who threw as many hours as I could handle, plus they were really flexible. I had worked for the same company 4 years previously, I was shocked to see the increase in the amount of men who worked for the company. So much so, the company were almost able to offer same sex carers to their clients. Many of the men had been labourers, policemen etc, most of whom had been made redundant. Other than that there were a lot of people from Ghana. I'm not sure specifically why Ghana.

Road_Hog

suki1001 wrote: »

I was shocked to see the increase in the amount of men who worked for the company. So much so, the company were almost able to offer same sex carers to their clients. Many of the men had been labourers, policemen etc, most of whom had been made redundant. Other than that there were a lot of people from Ghana. I'm not sure specifically why Ghana.

Yes, carers is one section that I see that always is advertising for employees. It is obviously a growth sector, but there must also be a reason that they don't want to fill the positions with immigrants.

And yes, probably many more blokes taking the job, because it's that or the dole.