Unemployment hits 2.6m. Over 1m 16-24 year olds out of work

quantic

vivatifosi wrote: »

A question if I may quantic. Would they find that they could get the bus if their benefits were taken away or reduced (ie they are using the system to their advantage) or is it more that the people that you are working with have other issues, such as learning difficulties, that would most likely put them into the 2% "structural unemployment" that's difficult to place? Or is it something else altogether?

A few of them are as you say in the 2% but the vast majority are not incapable of doing any of these things, they are just unwilling to learn and the ones that are capable without the need to learn are unwilling to do.

StevieJ

quantic wrote: »

Couldn't agree more, it is mind boggling the level of, or should I say, lack of english/maths etc. I don't even mean maths etc, life would be easy if thats all they lacked, they have no sense of how to live as an adult in the world. Its almost as if our tutors become their foster parents in some cases.

For example, some of our 20-25 year old are not capable of getting a bus to a placement, which is about 4 stops away, they cannot be trusted, they wont go if we leave them to their own devices,

Maybe it is the unemployable who find their way to your training sessions because I rarely encounter young people like that.

StevieJ

ILW wrote: »

Concentrate on the markets that are not struggling then. Simple really.

No point in trying to sell stuff to people that have no money to pay for it.

Are you being serious

The_White_Horse

if they started speaking properly, rather than saying "i is applying for dis job innit, coz i is well bored" they may get the job.

so many youngsters in this country find it extremely hard to talk in a way that makes sense to anyone over 30. they want to lose the idiot hairstyles as well - like that fool on x factor who was booted off. his hair was so offensive I couldn't read any other news on the page.

ILW

StevieJ wrote: »

Are you being serious

Yes, I am sick of this mantra that 50% of our trade is with Europe that leads our leaders to believe we have to take all sorts of crap from them.

setmefree2

nembot wrote: »

Ohh f**k off Hamish, it's greedy selfish !!!!!!s like you who knew exactly what was going to happen with the economy.

Yet as long as you're alright jack, f**k everyone else!!!

Don't be coming on here blaming bears for the state of the economy, both then and now - jeez...

Nembot I've been reading this board for a long time (too long) and there were a large number of MSE posters who cheered on a recession. I do recall one post in which a poster said that they "thought it was about time the UK had a recession and it would do us good". The shocking thing was that the post got a huge number of "Thanks".......

I remember wondering whether posters were so foolish as not to realise that a great deal of people were about to lose their jobs...

...so yes I do think that Hamish has a point tbh.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

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Consumption drives most employment. More borrowing (if you can find a lender) will just bring even more consumption forward from a later tomorrow and make the problem worse in the end.

I agree with something a caller suggested to bbc radio this morning.

The apprentice route should more closely align with the academic route in terms of funding.

What they meant by that was that the apprentice could be a skilled person already, but they would have some element of 'deferred salary' to reflect their lack of experience. As they built up experience with that company, say over a 5 year period, their contribution should increase in value, and the deferred element of salary would then be repaid.

The employee-apprentice would have a mid-term income target; the employer would be guaranteed an incentive for the employee to remain and repay the investment and risk shown by the employer.

There was at least one employer on the radio who would not take graduates on, because of their suspicion that the employee would leave in a year or less when conditions improved.

It will of course have limitations and be open to some level of abuse I am sure.

StevieJ

ILW wrote: »

Yes, I am sick of this mantra that 50% of our trade is with Europe that leads our leaders to believe we have to take all sorts of crap from them.

So where do you suggest we peddle those 50% of our wares?

ILW

StevieJ wrote: »

So where do you suggest we peddle those 50% of our wares?

India, China, Brazil, Russia for starters.

If we can come up with products and services that people want to but, they will buy them wherever they are.

In fact most of Europe would go on buying whether we were in the EU or not.

quantic

StevieJ wrote: »

Maybe it is the unemployable who find their way to your training sessions because I rarely encounter young people like that.

Maybe, but we process a very high volume of learners so is not a small sample.