Should Headteachers or Civil Servants be made to pay for their mismanagement

ntb1

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ntb1

poet123 wrote: »

I am not sure how you understand how schools are governed. The head is not solely responsible for decisions, so any blame is collective. Similarly pay decisions are based on Performance Management which is a tightly controlled set of objectives which are set by the GB with outside (lea)input..

All decisions are taken with a lot of thought and with integrity but no one is infallible, and the way the goalposts have shifted in education recently means that hindsight and a crystal ball would have been a great asset for many.

i have a reasonable understanding, have served a 5 year team as a governor.

The head can push through decisions they think are right they are the professional afterall - and i know personally that the head can enforce employment decisions - and have seen the lea advice on this.

Lea input joke- would agree on the face of it the Head was doing a good job, its an outstanding school. as far as i understand the 2 point payrise was agreed with chair, burser, another local head (lea representation?)

as for the crystal ball - the local country council has predicted pretty well the ongoing pupil numbers and i sat in a meeting in a different role (scouting) where the local council statics expert showed what would happen if the trends across the county contiuned and 5 years on it was pretty accurite. there are declining pupil numbers across the whole area and soon enough schools will have to start closing.

Would agree decisions where taken with plenty of thought, sadly part of the agreed decisions where met by the head and the governors where powerless to deal with it.

StevieJ

What I really don't get is why the private sector whingers have not joined the easy life in public sector. I don't get it I just don't

ntb1

i enjoy my private sector winging... i run my own business and control how we spend to ensure its success... the public sector seems to be out of control and just a bit money bit with more and more going in and less and less coming out.

if i ran my business the way the local school works, the local NHS trust (which is in so much debt that it is being taken over) the local NHS PCT that seems to re brand every 12 months, the local council, - i'd be out of business..

thescouselander

StevieJ wrote: »

What I really don't get is why the private sector whingers have not joined the easy life in public sector. I don't get it I just don't

They probably don't have the skills to pass the interview process.

StevieJ

ntb1 wrote: »

i enjoy my private sector winging... i run my own business and control how we spend to ensure its success... the public sector seems to be out of control and just a bit money bit with more and more going in and less and less coming out.

Fair dinkum but it was aimed at this lot.

I have done, and the policy went right up the scale.
It was in sales so relatively simple to administer.
Miss your targets and out the door, the contracts were worded to cover it.
You don't tend to end up with any passengers.

ntb1

StevieJ wrote: »

Fair dinkum but it was aimed at this lot.

no worries

Jennifer_Jane

bobthedambuilder wrote: »

And exactly what financial training does a head teacher get to enable them to manage anything? Aren't they trained as teachers?

Am unsure where the comparison of Teachers vs Managers comes from? Nevertheless, to answer your question, I would hope that a head teacher becomes one because of their ability to run a school, and has had some training by being a deputy head teacher. Is that not how it's done?

Are you wanting 'managers' to come into schools rather than 'head teachers'? I'm a bit confused by your post, let alone the 'hand on hip' style confrontational style.

Anyway, I don't know if head teachers do receive any financial training or courses or not. But I do expect that they should be able to run a school.

Andy_L

Other than people who own thier own business does the private sector require managers who !!!!-up to pay for their mis-management?

I'd sugest that if you do make employees liable for such losses then either:
people won't apply
Will demand huge reward packages to make the reward worth the risk
Will become so risk adverse that nothing will get done without a huge arrse-covering exercise so they can't be blamed

Andy_L

ILW wrote: »

Nobody gets chastised or booted out for incompetance in the public sector. At best thay get the option to resign on a full (or enhanced) pension. It is nearly criminal.

Just as well its not true then