Should Headteachers or Civil Servants be made to pay for their mismanagement

bobthedambuilder

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

By the time a person has become a head teacher they should understand how to run a school.

And exactly what financial training does a head teacher get to enable them to manage anything? Aren't they trained as teachers?

StevieJ

ILW wrote: »

That is a very select few, as opposed to a whole system. In the end if you own a company and screw up, you can lose everything.

I suppose headteachers are a select few just like Fred the Shred

worldtraveller

ntb1 wrote: »

so many times you see in councils, the NHS, Schools people happily spending tax payers money badly and the retiering early or on grounds of ill health as it all comes to a head.

Welcome to the public sector!

ILW

StevieJ wrote: »

I suppose headteachers are a select few just like Fred the Shred

There are 10s of thousands of head teachers.
Whoever the civil servant was that waived thru Fred The Shreds package after the bailout should have been sacked.

thescouselander

ILW wrote: »

A system like used in some of the more agressive private sector companies where the lowest performing 5% of managers are sacked every year would improve things no end.

Which companies to that then? Such a scheme would have to be vary carefully worked because it would be very easy to fall foul of employment law. Just sacking the worst performing 5% would no doubt leave the company open to unfair dismissal claims from those sacked.

StevieJ

thescouselander wrote: »

Which companies to that then? Such a scheme would have to be vary carefully worked because it would be very easy to fall foul of employment law. Just sacking the worst performing 5% would no doubt leave the company open to unfair dismissal claims from those sacked.

I bet the person choosing the bottom 5% is never in the bottom 5%

CLAPTON

ILW wrote: »

That is a very select few, as opposed to a whole system. In the end if you own a company and screw up, you can lose everything.

I had in mind :-

the rover gang of 4
the bankers
marconi
etc

all career employees who didn't risk their own money

CLAPTON

ILW wrote: »

A system like used in some of the more agressive private sector companies where the lowest performing 5% of managers are sacked every year would improve things no end.

do you work for such an organisation?

MrRee_2

poet123 wrote: »

I am not sure how you understand how schools are governed. The head is not solely responsible for decisions, so any blame is collective. Similarly pay decisions are based on Performance Management which is a tightly controlled set of objectives which are set by the GB with outside (lea)input..

All decisions are taken with a lot of thought and with integrity but no one is infallible, and the way the goalposts have shifted in education recently means that hindsight and a crystal ball would have been a great asset for many.

Wouldn't that be a wonderful way to do things?

In reality it never happens that way - too many vested interests.

A HeadTeacher of a big school who gets paid over £100,000 didn't get there by doing as he/she was told .... oh, no, they are very cute in managing people.

In the same way as they manage their staff .. they manage the Governing Board. They 'befreind' certain individuals of the board. They manipulate the Chairperson.

Heads know their school inside out - Governors haven't 1% of the knowledge needed to challenge the Head ...... and therein lies the problem.

Add to the mix that there are Parent Governors who rightly are concerned about rocking the boat because their children may suffer if they do .... and you have, in effect, a impotent Governing Board.

The Head 'suggests' that there should be a very small 'Pay & Performance Committee' which can take the drudgery and time consuming decisions of pay .... how convenient that this 'select' group are weak and have been 'got at'.

The painful truth is that most Heads are in control of their pay, their senior teams pay and in control of everything which goes on .... the money comes from a bottomless pit and Heads do not give it one thought as they reward themselves and their favourites each pay round.

It takes a very special Head to not become corrupt in the face of such vast wealth and such little opposition to their actions.

I would point out, however, that these Teachers you see on TV complaining that they have had their pay frozen, have NOT received no pay rise!

Teachers move up a scale, you see. They receive a pay rise each and every year .... what they are complaining about is that they will not get TWO payrises this year as they normally would! Which wins them no sympathy from me I'm afraid.

That's put that straight ... for those who didn't know how things actually happen - and what every taxpayer is paying for ... it needs stopping.

ILW

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you work for such an organisation?

I have done, and the policy went right up the scale.
It was in sales so relatively simple to administer.
Miss your targets and out the door, the contracts were worded to cover it.
You don't tend to end up with any passengers.