CSA/CM Question!

Marisco

But maybe Sarah thinks more of her daughters' relationship with her dad, than about money? Why rock the boat if there is no need?

buttercup73

A DEO amount does change if a recalculation happens, so if anything changes in your or his circumstances make sure to adjust your handbacks the moment they start recalculating.
Because what are you going to do if it's backdated and the DEO amount drops?
Will you and your ex be able to work it out fairly if it turns out you paid back too much?

I can see your good intentions in handing some back of what you feel is too much. Some DEOs can be for ridiculous amounts if there are arrears attached leaving the ex without money to get by. If the CSA would find a solution to pay back arrears in a more feasable way I bet a lot of nrps will stop jumping through hoops to lower the amount. Maybe it's better to ask the CSA to reduce the payments/x amount off arrears instead? If they don't accept off the bat maybe you could try stating that you've received something for your daughter from the ex that you would like factored in.

I started a private arrangement with my ex and it's lower than what the CSA would calculate but he works out what he can afford without feeling squeezed. Maybe that's an option for you since you don't seem that fussed by what he owes but more about making a point that he contributes something?

eezyrider7

DUTR wrote: »

Concrete fact? Well it's on a weak foundation, many of us pay by Standing Order, no need for DEO's in our cases :A

The NRP in many cases will indeed be paying by standing order if that is what is agreed but they have no power to dictate what the Method of Payment is.

EZ

DUTR

eezyrider7 wrote: »

The NRP in many cases will indeed be paying by standing order if that is what is agreed but they have no power to dictate what the Method of Payment is.

EZ

There was no argument in my case, they wanted DEO, I told them I was paying via SO, so they could either accept SO or accept that I resign and they get the £5 or whatever it is from any benefits that I would claim. The monies are paid weekly without fail.

Marisco

DUTR wrote: »

There was no argument in my case, they wanted DEO, I told them I was paying via SO, so they could either accept SO or accept that I resign and they get the £5 or whatever it is from any benefits that I would claim. The monies are paid weekly without fail.

Just out of curiosity DUTR, would you have resigned if they'd refused the SO?

sarahk100574

Sheesh Kevin - of course it is/was intended for her.... but seeing as I have covered all her financial needs for her life top date the arrears are MINE (and the ex hubbys!) These are arrears... they are for things I have already paid for... by the very nature of 'arrears'. My daughter wont go without because I am not going to take so much from him. And please uni?? She is a bright child... she wont be going near a university lol!

@ Marisco.... exactly! She is beginning to see that he is a total loser, but it doesn't change the fact that she loves him very much! I would guess that she will spend years being let down by him as an adult before she gives up... (unless of course he has a miraculous change in personality and grows up, although at nearing 40 you'd have thought that would have happened already if it was ever going to ha ha!!)

@ Buttercup - I agree that taking amounts that leave the nrp with a very small income is just not fair. The £120 pw is over 1/3 of his take home some weeks.... even though I'm not his biggest fan, I don't think its fair! The csa could've caught up with him years ago if they really wanted, then there would be no arrears! And I never persued it either after I met my ex husband... just used to get a letter twice a year telling me that nothing had happened lol!

It was only after my marriage split AND a redundancy that I decided to ask him to contribute. I tried to get him to pay £20 pw for months and months (he paid it twice in the two weeks leading up to me taking dd to see him In summer 2010) then he went off our radar for ages, thats when his brother got hold of him, set him up in his current job and gave me details for csa claim... fast forward 10 months and the deo is applied... I never asked them to collect arrears, and have been told that either they handle it or they don't... I cant dictate to them not to collect arrears! I have been through all that before deciding to come to an arrangement to return some of it to him... he is very stupid, he probs feels that I'm being soft as some of the folk on here do... but I feel I am better off a)financially taking what he can afford and b) having him in a steady job so dd doesn't go for ages without hearing from him because he's avoiding me cos he knows I'll ask him to contribute...

DUTR

Marisco wrote: »

Just out of curiosity DUTR, would you have resigned if they'd refused the SO?

Of course I would have. They only had to try it to see, but fortunately for all parties involved the agent saw sense, 15% of net pay is a lot greater than £5 per week.

eezyrider7

DUTR wrote: »

There was no argument in my case, they wanted DEO, I told them I was paying via SO, so they could either accept SO or accept that I resign and they get the £5 or whatever it is from any benefits that I would claim. The monies are paid weekly without fail.

You may feel you dictated the Method of Payment but from your description as far as I can see you stated you wished to pay by Standing Order (your threat to resign plays no part in the decision) the PWC did not object therefore it was agreed that you pay by standing order. I assume that the payments have continued as agreed therefore it seems to have been the correct decision.

EZ

DUTR

eezyrider7 wrote: »

You may feel you dictated the Method of Payment but from your description as far as I can see you stated you wished to pay by Standing Order (your threat to resign plays no part in the decision) the PWC did not object therefore it was agreed that you pay by standing order. I assume that the payments have continued as agreed therefore it seems to have been the correct decision.

EZ

The PWC has no choice in how the NRP makes the payments, I pay to the CSA they forward the monies , as you were no part of the telephone conversation with the csa rep, you can rest assured it did have a large bearing on the method of payment.
I have a friend who also pays via SO as his employer will have no dealing with the CSA and will lose the employee rather than deal with the CSA , we are both regular contributors to the csa

sarahk100574

DUTR wrote: »

The PWC has no choice in how the NRP makes the payments, I pay to the CSA they forward the monies , as you were no part of the telephone conversation with the csa rep, you can rest assured it did have a large bearing on the method of payment.
I have a friend who also pays via SO as his employer will have no dealing with the CSA and will lose the employee rather than deal with the CSA , we are both regular contributors to the csa

eh? An employer can no more 'refuse' to deal with the csa, than they can a local authority (for CTAEO) or other court imposed deductions from employment such as student loans etc... An employer is required to make many deductions... paye/nic/deo's/ctaeo's/sl... A:) DEO is a detachment of earnings order issued by a court, and an employer has a statutory duty to deduct as directed... A company or any other employing organisation can be fined for not administering such types of deduction when directed to...
Its like saying a company can refuse to pay SSP/MA when a person is legally entitled... they can't!

Rightly or wrongly, employers are unpaid administrators of many government depts. and must comply or face a whole raft of measures!