Most property types in most areas of aberdeen falling YOY.

geneer

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I refer you to your original post.

Erm you mean the original post showing YOY figures, not QOQ figures.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Arguably, YOY is up overall.

Yep. Thats what the OP shows.
　

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

You have chosedn to look at the breakdown of the figures to conclude that "most people in most property types in most areas of Aberdeen Prices ARE DROPPING"

What I've actually done is to adopt one of Hamishes "Catchphrases" for ironic effect.
I note you rarely have a problem when he uses the phrase.
　

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I would have had no argument had you made your point that YOY, the breakdowns show prices are lower than they were a year ago, however you have chosen to articulate yourself by stating they ARE DROPPING, which infers to what is currently happening.

Uh oh. Lights at the turn a minor semantic issue onto a epic battle stage. I'm guessing your about 4 posts away from "Nooooooo...I've let myself fall to geneers level...again".

Actually ROS shows that most property types are dropping. YOY.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

To disect what is happening currently, you naturally want to look at a closer timeframe that YOY.

If you need a fall back position.
　

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

You are very adamant there are no seasonal variations.
Are you in agreement that your position on this is incorrect?

　
No. I've never claimed there aren't "normal seasonal variations".
I have however shown that fluctuations of tens of thousands of pounds simply aren't "normal seasonal variations".
And never existed prior to 2007.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Hamish is another forum member, let's try to stick to the facts presented instead of worrying what others think.

The fact is, Hamish is a big fan of YOY.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I've clarified above YOY appears to be up and you have accurately shown that the YOY average of up +/- 0.1% is mae up of areas which rose and fell.
No argument there.

Thank you for clarifying something that was in fact clearly stated in my OP.
　

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I'm not going to get my knickers in a twist with regards to a 0.1% movement.
Hell it supports my statements of nominal stagnation.

No it really really doesn't.
Volatile fluctuations isn't stagnation.
Falling prices aren't stagnation.
Take your pick.;)

IveSeenTheLight

The Figures Speak for themselves

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

reference your bold summation
Can we? Let's look at the data: -

Aberdeen City Transaction Levels (Jul-Sep 11) - 1343
Aberdeen City Transaction Levels (Apr-Jun 11) - 1041
Up 29.0% in the quarter

Aberdeen City Resedential Value Sales (Jul-Sep 11) - £255238,605
Aberdeen City Resedential Value Sales (Apr-Jun 11) - £190,225,963
Up 34.2%

Aberdeen City Detached Average (Jul-Sep 11) - £335,384
Aberdeen City Detached Average (Apr-Jun 11) - £345,277
Down 2.9%

Aberdeen City Detached sales (Jul-Sep 11) - 153
Aberdeen City Detached sales (Apr-Jun 11) - 104
Up 47.1%

Aberdeen City Semi-Detached Average (Jul-Sep 11) - £227,157
Aberdeen City Semi-Detached Average (Apr-Jun 11) - £229,485
Down 1.0%

Aberdeen City Semi-Detached sales (Jul-Sep 11) - 195
Aberdeen City Semi-Detached sales (Apr-Jun 11) - 135
Up 44.4%


Aberdeen City Terraced Average (Jul-Sep 11) - £187,765
Aberdeen City Terraced Average (Apr-Jun 11) - £174,983
Up 7.3%

Aberdeen City Terraced sales (Jul-Sep 11) - 370
Aberdeen City Terraced sales (Apr-Jun 11) - 311
Up 19.0%

Aberdeen City Flats Average (Jul-Sep 11) - £142,732
Aberdeen City Flats Average (Apr-Jun 11) - £138,210
Up 3.3%

Aberdeen City Flats sales (Jul-Sep 11) - 625
Aberdeen City Flats sales (Apr-Jun 11) - 491
Up 27.3%



Actually, the data shows that : -

153 Detached fell on average £9,893
195 Semi detached fell on average £2,328
348 Aberdeen City Properties fell on average £5,653

370 Terraced rose on average £12,782
625 Flats rose on average £4,522
995 Aberdeen City Properties rose on average £7,593

Whilst we cannot implicitly define that most properties in most area rose, the data certainly point to that as opposed to the OP's blanket statement

geneer

The figures of course speak for themselves.

geneer wrote: »

http://www.ros.gov.uk/pdfs/ros_statistical_report_jul-sept2011.pdf

Aberdeen City Average Price +0.1%.

But.

Aberdeen City Detatched -10.3%.
Aberdeen City Semi-Detatched -4.4%.
Aberdeen City Flats -1.6%.
Aberdeen City Terraced. +3.7%.

We can safely conclude that for most people in most property types in most areas of aberdeen prices are dropping.

Just goes to show how meaningless those high level averages can be.

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn

Graham_Devon wrote: »

So who is jack johnson? Came here pretending to be a FTB, kept it up for a couple of hours, until the bitterness about the HPC site came pouring out and hasn't shutup about it ever since.

Just wondering who he/she is?

Jack Johnson was infact the first ever black HW boxing champion, My name is Ben and I've not mentioned HPC in any of my posts....;)

But I'm glad your paying me so much attention Graham Devon (original name BTW) It's very flattering of you. x

geneer

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Regardless, he's been trying to assert that price rises in Scotland were simply skew from low volume for some time.

geneer wrote: »

Not sure why you would insist that I'm trying to assert price spikes are due to low volume and skew. I have in fact tabled the quotes from the VIs themselves that explicitly state that this has been the case. You did in fact see those quotes on more than one occasion.
You're not being very honest are you?

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3049466

heh heh heh.

geneer

geneer wrote: »

http://www.ros.gov.uk/pdfs/ros_statistical_report_jul-sept2011.pdf

Aberdeen City Average Price +0.1%.

But.

Aberdeen City Detatched -10.3%.
Aberdeen City Semi-Detatched -4.4%.
Aberdeen City Flats -1.6%.
Aberdeen City Terraced. +3.7%.

We can safely conclude that for most people in most property types in most areas of aberdeen prices are dropping.

Just goes to show how meaningless those high level averages can be.

Incidentally check out what some kooky bear was saying at the start of the year.

geneer wrote: »

how many times has someone ignorantly asserted that the price of their house has gone up actually because the average price for their town, their region, or their country, has increased. Twaddle.

So heres the big secret:-

Averages prices are based on, y'know, an average.
It can be made up of lots of smaller averages.
There is no such thing as the average house.

So "no crash to speak of" because the headline figure doesn't seem that bad. Get a grip bulls.

Didn't wash during the 90's crash.
Won't was now.
Simples.

Gosh. Whats it called when you say something, and it turns out to be proven true time and again.

Prescience? Insight?
Dunno. But that chaps got it in spades.

IveSeenTheLight

geneer wrote: »

The figures of course speak for themselves.

Context and analysis geneer.
Context and analysis

Pimperne1

geneer wrote: »

http://www.ros.gov.uk/pdfs/ros_statistical_report_jul-sept2011.pdf

Aberdeen City Average Price +0.1%.

But.

Aberdeen City Detatched -10.3%.
Aberdeen City Semi-Detatched -4.4%.
Aberdeen City Flats -1.6%.
Aberdeen City Terraced. +3.7%.

We can safely conclude that for most people in most property types in most areas of aberdeen prices are dropping.

Just goes to show how meaningless those high level averages can be.

With a population of only 200k isn't Aberdeen a bit of a small area to require two threads?

geneer

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Context and analysis geneer.
Context and analysis

:rotfl:Yes. Thats exactly what I supplied in presenting the rather interesting break downs which have so upset you.

IveSeenTheLight

geneer wrote: »

:rotfl:Yes. Thats exactly what I supplied in presenting the rather interesting break downs which have so upset you.

I beg to differ.