Incensed again

michelle1506

longleggedhair wrote: »

Far too much Tory media spin? Who said anything about being a Tory, im just being realistic. It comes down to simple maths,you cant keep spending more than you earn-unless you want financial ruin.

You will have a good pension even after these changes. Dont blame the Torys for taking it away, blame Labour for giving you something that never existed...it was all a lie, new schools & hospitals, big pay rises for public sector staff..it was a LIE...they brought your votes with a LIE, the money was never there, it did not exist, the borrowed it and now the chickens have come home to roost!

The Tories would have you and others believe is what I meant. What about the bankers then??? Not just about Labour.

longleggedhair

michelle1506 wrote: »

I know but I really can't afford it - I have family to think of. I guess I will just have to do something else when I can afford it. I think tbh there will be a lot of people in my boat who can't afford it either, and will most likely do the same. :eek:

Good you will save the tax payer a fortune, but it will cost you dearly, leave you poor in old age, and very regretful. Your choice.

longleggedhair

michelle1506 wrote: »

The Tories would have you and others believe is what I meant. What about the bankers then??? Not just about Labour.

Labour did the damage. Everyone else is left to pick up the mess for their mistakes.

ffacoffipawb

longleggedhair wrote: »

Labour did the damage. Everyone else is left to pick up the mess for their mistakes.

It's always the way - 1979 as well.

longleggedhair

ffacoffipawb wrote: »

It's always the way - 1979 as well.

Exactly- every Labour government without exception has left the country in financial ruin, but people keep voting for them? I just dont understand!

Moby

longleggedhair wrote: »

Exactly- every Labour government without exception has left the country in financial ruin, but people keep voting for them? I just dont understand!

Let me explain....

How about the Welfare State, National Health Service, minimum wage, rebuilding crumbling schools, winter fuel allowance, sustaining employment, especially amongst the young.....
....and now what do we have....social unrest and a return to mass unemployment, again especially amongst the young!...... and on these forums we read the comments of retired financial advisers lecturing nurses, doctors, firefighters, paramedics, teachers, police etc with the barb 'welcome to the real world'. It reminds me of one of Thatcher's famous quips.....'unemployment is a price well worth paying'.......As long as someone else is paying it methinks! Yes many of us remember 1979 but from a different perspective to the above!

cyclonebri1

ciano125 wrote: »

The maximum your tight assed company would allow you to put in? What was stopping you having your own SIPP for example if you wanted to save more in order to provide a better retirement for yourself?

Yes, there was no mechanism to allow me to increase my contributions or for the Co to increase theirs.
I joined a private pension into which I payed in heavily without my employers help, get it?? In other words I funded my retirement I didn't ask anyone else to.

And for further information the company final salary joke was based on 1/120th salary per year service, check out the public sector figure

WhiteHorse

Lokolo wrote: »

The private sector worker will be putting more in and getting less out than a public sector worker.

This tells you everything you need to know.

It would seem that public sector employees, always the first to spout about 'equality', suddenly don't believe in the level playing field after all.

atush

Most companies phased out company cars years ago. those that involve sales may still do, but then they spend their working lives on the road.

And to get the equivalent pension in the private sector that you get from being a paramedic would mean contributions of over 25% of salary from the start of working life. Can you do that? No, I didn't think so.

cyclonebri1

real1314 wrote: »

You really don't have much idea about what other people's earnings are do you?

You think a nurse should be paid a below average wage? And a teacher?

You really think health and children's futures should be left to the "below" average employees? :cool:

I never mentioned what they should be paid I simply quoted the figures on ITV and BBC news yesterday and even more so today.

So do I think teachers and nurses should be paid a below average wage?? No of course I don't, but I do expect them to have to pay for an above average pension. Hope that's clearer for you,

Your last point is totally insulting to half the working class by definition of average, you really should think about the way you've worded that.:(:(