Should the UK leave the EU poll

Paul_Herring

rrpescott wrote: »

I trust my democratically elected body, who have more knowledge and understanding, to make the correct decisions about our position in Europe.

You're too trusting with the thieving scumbags - I couldn't trust them further than I could throw them.

I contacted my MP about this vote, and they didn't even deign to reply to me. Not too different to the smoking ban really.

doctordiesel

I think the people should be allowed to vote in a referendum, the fact that some people here seem to think that MPs know best is very worrying.... are most of the people of this country too stupid to be allowed a referendum? In that case perhaps they are too stupid to be allowed to elect MPs.......next stop dictatorship..........
The fact that the EU is such a popular source of pointless, overpaid employment for failed UK politicians (Neil Kinnock springs to mind...) may encourage MPs to vote to maintain the status quo......

worldwheeler

doctordiesel wrote: »

I think the people should be allowed to vote in a referendum, the fact that some people here seem to think that MPs know best is very worrying.... are most of the people of this country too stupid to be allowed a referendum? In that case perhaps they are too stupid to be allowed to elect MPs.......next stop dictatorship..........
The fact that the EU is such a popular source of pointless, overpaid employment for failed UK politicians (Neil Kinnock springs to mind...) may encourage MPs to vote to maintain the status quo......

It is the mainstream media that push the "pub-lick are stupid" message. They also push the divide and conquer thesis from the establishment on the public; "the old are house hoarding" "the young are hoody louts" "the baby boomers have ruined the next generations future" "the Muslims want to rule britain with sharia law" "the Polish have taken your jobs" Don't mention the government condoned banks fraud and political shenanigans that cause such engineered social problems.
Public opinion IS exactly what the TV tells you. But are actors used to give TPTB opinion for what they want the public to think, or how many opinions against the status quo were simply deleted and the inline view broadcast. The BBC seems more and more like a propaganda machine.

@doctordiesel Your good analogy to MP's retirement homes does seem obvious but the enquiring minds of reporters and media news don't seem to be able to relate this to the public. We are living in an Orwellian world ; "war is peace"(Lybia, in protecting people 30,000 civilians had to be killed) "ignorance is strength" "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" (TB is a war criminal)

Maybe the public would be better informed with a more enquiring and competent media; a better education system; less corporate control of our political system; a better understanding of history, like that oil in Persia started the great war not some duck getting shot.

rickbonar

Well I voted for option 2 the free trade agreement only... and that is what when we originally joined ALL it was supposed to be.

We were misled then and in honesty the "free" trade agreement has proved to anything but ....especially for the general public...

a couple of cases illustrate the point ...recently the lady with the Greek decoder box and when there was a query on the rights to have your cigarettes and booze posted over to you.

Surely both of them an open and shut case if the it really was a free trade environment..

The decoder thing should have never have gone to court and although the verdict eventually was the right one shouldn't have needed to happen.

On the cigarettes and booze .. I belleve by the strict interpretation of the EU law then citizens should be able to order by mail from foriegn suplliers and pay only the tax rate there.

The successive governments in Britain really are only interested in getting cheap labour for the short but fail to realise that it costs greatly in the long term.

I believe it's cost us jobs and created a big burden where citizens are forced to take welfare money as it's the plight of housing foriegners has pushed housing costs to the limit.
Obviously housing benefits take one of the biggest slices of the benefits bill.

rickbonar

So free trade only ... no immigrants .... and a policy of returning all immigrants since 1955.

worldwheeler

rickbonar wrote: »

free trade environment.....
The successive governments in Britain really are only interested in getting cheap labour for the short but fail to realise that it costs greatly in the long term.

The cost is to the social cohesion of the country. This matters not a jot to the corporate gubberment that perfectly understand it when they enact free access or transfer of cheap labour markets for their owners. They rely on it as it sets in place the divide and conquer mentality which steers any public critical questioning away from the ruling ellite.

perfectly illustrated by

rickbonar wrote: »

. no immigrants .... and a policy of returning all immigrants since 1955.

It is not the gubberments it is the foreigners, oh please! You have more in common with a Pole, Eastern European or Muslim than with CEO's and gobberment ministers who attend the bilderberg secret meetings to decide your future as a slave, a fool or a corpse.

Meet the neighbours, they are just like you, trying to understand and survive in a slave environment designed over the 99%, by the 1%, for the 1%.

xkr_driver

Why is the Government so scared of the referendum? As far as I was taught, our democratic system is a parliamentary system of government "voted by the people, for the people, to represent the people". So please, can someone tell me where this went wrong?

So if WE who voted for these MP's say we WANT a referendum, how can they say that "they are doing it for our own good". Now surely if we are clever enough to vote the MP's into power, then conversely, why do they the MP's then tell us that we are too stupid/ignorant to vote for the future of OUR country??????

Anyone? Please, let the answer come from a democratically elected Member of Parliament, voted for by STUPID voters!!

kevanf1

I hope those MP's who have voted no to a referendum do not expect to keep their seats at the next election. I for one will NOT vote for our current MP. I am utterly disgusted at the way they have voted. They have simply thought about their own cash lined future in a Euro job in Brussels. As for Cameron? He is nothing more than a dictator with Clegg and Milliband licking at his boots awaiting the crumbs to be dropped for them.

Is there any way we can get rid of this lot and have a different form of elected parliament?

Greenteanlemon

rrpescott wrote: »

Can we have an option:
I trust my democratically elected body, who have more knowledge and understanding, to make the correct decisions about our position in Europe.

I agree wholeheartedly. It's very easy for the public to accuse their government of being thieves and liars - This will happen no matter who is in charge! But the fact is, the Government DOES have a better understanding of the situation than the public - not least because not all the facts will have been made public - and I trust that they will make the best decision they can do with the information they have.

Whether it will be the correct one obviously remains to be seen over the coming years. But they will do a better job of making the correct decision than anyone else.

Paul_Herring

vickylouise87 wrote: »

I agree wholeheartedly. It's very easy for the public to accuse their government of being thieves and liars - This will happen no matter who is in charge!

Because it's demonstrably true.

But the fact is, the Government DOES have a better understanding of the situation than the public - not least because not all the facts will have been made public - and I trust that they will make the best decision they can do with the information they have.

The solution to that little problem is to have more transparency and give us the facts, not blindly trust the government to Do The Right Thing™.