September CPI hits 5.2% - figures to set rises in benefits

ukcarper

hallmark wrote: »

I'm sure most unemployed people would love to get a job they want, like, enjoy and or are well paid for. Who wouldn't.

I'm equally sure that many of them would run a mile before they would do a crummy job that only pays as much or slightly more than they can get on benefits.

Actually forget saying I'm equally sure, because actually I'm certain, I know plenty of them personally & they're completely open about it. The general comment is "of course I could get a job at {insert naff job here} but what's the point, I wouldn't get any more than I do on benefits".

And that's the reason so many people hate the benefit culture.

I'm more than willing to acknowledge that there are plenty of genuine unfortunates out of work but I rarely see benefits-defenders who are so willing to admit to the hundreds of thousands of lazy scroungers who just leech off the system.

So why do you think 500 people applied for those jobs in Poundland.

I’m sure there are plenty of scroungers but not the majority.

hallmark

And regarding your 16-year-old, why setup in business at all? Why not get apprenticed to a trade? Or continue education? Or get an entry-level job & seek to either get steadily promoted and/or study or develop skills at the same time that will eventually lead to a good job? There are tons of options in this country.

hallmark

ukcarper wrote: »

So why do you think 500 people applied for those jobs in Poundland.

I've never looked into it but maybe Poundland are a good employer. I'm sure lots of people would sneer at them but as far as I know they're a successful business & on the up so good luck to them.

ukcarper

hallmark wrote: »

And regarding your 16-year-old, why setup in business at all? Why not get apprenticed to a trade? Or continue education? Or get an entry-level job & seek to either get steadily promoted and/or study or develop skills at the same time that will eventually lead to a good job? There are tons of options in this country.

Because it's almost impossible a young lad I know don a 2-year carpentry course at the end he had to find a work placement he along with most of his fellow students couldn’t so he fail to gain his qualifications he now works part time in Sainsbury’s as that was the only job he could find.

ukcarper

hallmark wrote: »

I've never looked into it but maybe Poundland are a good employer. I'm sure lots of people would sneer at them but as far as I know they're a successful business & on the up so good luck to them.

They are minimum wage retail jobs and still 500 people applied for 20 jobs.

hallmark

ukcarper wrote: »

Because it's almost impossible a young lad I know don a 2-year carpentry course at the end he had to find a work placement he along with most of his fellow students couldn’t so he fail to gain his qualifications he now works part time in Sainsbury’s as that was the only job he could find.

It's not almost impossible & one kid you know is hardly proof.

Also Sainsbury's are a good employer, there's plenty of scope for him to move up through the ranks, and nothing stopping him studying, acquiring new skills or simply applying for new jobs in the meantime. Sainsbury's will be here longer than most company's, I wouldn't knock them.

Graham_Devon

ukcarper wrote: »

You seem to be falling into the trap that everybody who is unemployed wants to be.

I’ve work all my life and believe people should work but I’m not blinked enough not to realise how difficult it is for some people to get a job. What business do you suggest a 16 year old without enough qualifications to go to university sets up?

Controversial I know.

But the polish that come here don't seem to find it hard to find jobs.

Indeed, 20 Hungarians managed to come to live in the UK, and all got jobs within 2 months in a sleepy town in Devon. They will do anything. I know, because we employed one. He's got 5 jobs. No word of a lie. All small hours, but making up near full time hours with all 5.

Might have been easier for them, as they had jobs to come to with one place in the first place. But they went on to find more jobs.

It's hard to find work that will pay the bills. That is the issue.

ukcarper

hallmark wrote: »

It's not almost impossible & one kid you know is hardly proof.

Also Sainsbury's are a good employer, there's plenty of scope for him to move up through the ranks, and nothing stopping him studying, acquiring new skills or simply applying for new jobs in the meantime. Sainsbury's will be here longer than most company's, I wouldn't knock them.

I really don't think you realise just how hard it is for people to find work.

hallmark

ukcarper wrote: »

They are minimum wage retail jobs and still 500 people applied for 20 jobs.

Minimum wage in this country is high, sky-high compared to most of the world.

Work 60-hours a week on minimum wage & you can earn a fair bit & a 60-hour week is hardly difficult, I've averaged that or more in most jobs I've done.

The reason 500 people applied for 20 jobs is that none of them had any skills anyone else wanted to pay for. That is their own problem.

That might sound harsh but I don't actually mean it that way, it's simple truth. I've been in that situation, I didn't like it & I worked like a dog to get skills that I knew were in demand so I could get out of it. If by some chance my current skills were suddenly out of demand I'd pick some new ones & do the same thing again. Anyone* can do this, the only people who say they can't are the one's who won't make the effort.




*excluding the genuinely infirm or the elderly, who in many cases can't help themselves & therefore should be being looked after by the rest of us.

ukcarper

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Controversial I know.

But the polish that come here don't seem to find it hard to find jobs.

Indeed, 20 Hungarians managed to come to live in the UK, and all got jobs within 2 months in a sleepy town in Devon. They will do anything. I know, because we employed one. He's got 5 jobs. No word of a lie. All small hours, but making up near full time hours with all 5.

Might have been easier for them, as they had jobs to come to with one place in the first place. But they went on to find more jobs.

It's hard to find work that will pay the bills. That is the issue.

I can only go by people I know and they have found it very hard to find jobs and a lot of the jobs they get are part time. Did no English people apply for the job the Hungarian person filled? At my wife’s company 100 people applied for a minimum wage warehouse job before they closed the applications that is in the South East.