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September CPI hits 5.2% - figures to set rises in benefits
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Most benefits are not paid out to those on the breadline. Take the biggest slab of the benefit bill: the state pension. There are an awful lot of rich baby boomer pensioners on gold-plated pensions who're getting the 5.2% rise. Genuinely poor pensioners are not impacted by the state pension because they receive the guaranteed pension credit. If you're worried about real poverty then perhaps hike the pension credit by 5.2% but not the state pension.
How many since the oldest would now be 66 with the vast majority under 65.0 -
Well, duh, because if benefits don't keep up with CPI, they'll soon decline to the point where they aren't enough to live on, which kind of defeats the whole object.
People are working for a wage that wont cover their bills but are still giving part of their wage packet to somebody who doesnt work.
The government dont give a 5hit that some people dont earn enough to house themselves so good luck to them if they start handing out a rise to people on benefits, plenty more will walk away from work because it does not pay.0 -
Mallotum_X wrote: »Maybe, except that if you give some of them so little as to be unable to live, we will get the bill for looking after their kids anyway, and then have to either put up with higher levels or crime, lawlessness and antisocial behaviour or pay for more police/protection.
Benefits do also give people something to lose, people with no money and nothing to lose are more likely to turn to crime.
Its a difficult balancing act, and one where the truely more deserving usually end up getting less than they need, and the load mouthed 'entitled' chavs get more than their fair share.
Rather than worry about an increase in what they get, i'd rather see more benefit cheats cracked down upon, concentrating effort on weeding out the people who abuse the system.
There are plenty of familys on my estate that have 4+ children one even has 7 kids. none of the parents have ever worked a day in their lives.
These are blatant benefit cheats, the government are allowing them to keep on breeding, the government couldnt give a 5hit that the workers of this country have to pay for the scum, if they did then they would no longer provide benefits to people who keep spitting kids out.0 -
I am not sure the income tax is relevant as they have a plan to raise it to £10k anyway.
Bet they didn't expect it to be "driven up" when they made that statement or perhaps they should index the promise....."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Most benefits are not paid out to those on the breadline. Take the biggest slab of the benefit bill: the state pension. There are an awful lot of rich baby boomer pensioners on gold-plated pensions who're getting the 5.2% rise. Genuinely poor pensioners are not impacted by the state pension because they receive the guaranteed pension credit. If you're worried about real poverty then perhaps hike the pension credit by 5.2% but not the state pension.
If they are so well off ,on gold plated pensions, they will get taxed and their allowances reduced. They also consume more so pay VAT and probably drive more so a lot of any increase will be recovered.
It would be interesting to see a pension spread to see how many get over the tax allowance reduction threshold, not many I would suggest."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Bet they didn't expect it to be "driven up" when they made that statement or perhaps they should index the promise.....
Interesting to see if they do that, I think it has been asked about but not replied to, the £10k PA by the end of the parliament will be probably a lower increase than RPI.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »If they are so well off ,on gold plated pensions, they will get taxed and their allowances reduced. They also consume more so pay VAT and probably drive more so a lot of any increase will be recovered.
It would be interesting to see a pension spread to see how many get over the tax allowance reduction threshold, not many I would suggest.
I bet Mumble isn't a pensioner marginally dependent on the state pension to top up his meagre personal pension, what do you reckon
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
I've just read that this has cost us an extra £1.8bn.
The budget was worked out on the Office for Budgetary Responsibility. However, they predicted the highest rate would be 4.3%. So the benefits bill is £1.8bn higher than expected, taking the benefits bill to 'just' £209.6bn0 -
Then again that whopping sovereign debt is now worth 5+% less than it was 12 months ago :j'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0
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