people driving sooooo slow cos they dont know the speed limit!

Bob_the_Saver

martinthebandit wrote: »

Thats fine by me too, as long as you realise that you are driving in a way that is inconsiderate to other road users (which is why it would be a fail on the driving test) and don't expect others to do the same.

Driving at say 20mph in town ie 10mph below the speed limit is different from driving at 50 in a 60 zone. The speed limit is a maximum legal limit
not the speed we all have to drive because some idiot want us to! Driving at 50 in a 60 zone is not normally inconsiderate, feel free to overtake and if for some reason you can't due to say traffic conditions perhaps 50 is a much safer speed, it helps us avoid the idiots on the road.

lindopski_2

Although I would certainly encourage drivers to stick to the limits, even if not in all others the 30 limit.
I would never just annoy a tailgater however, I dont advocate slamming on randomly like some of my friends do - its just plain stupid.
Driving at 15 in a 30 is also dumb unless your in a tiny narrow street with kids everywhere and parked cars - id probably be creeping through that one.
Making progress is the thing on the test that the instructors bang on about - however I think that if on test I was doing 55 in a 60 then it wouldnt be a fail though some on here would like it to be.

Like I said before, 25 years ago bimbling along at 56 on the motorway was fine but then the drivers that were on the road then were brought up in a much less selfish age where communities and socialising were common and physical things. Not 99% based on a PC or Facebook.

Lum

It was also a much slower moving age, where customers didn't expect/demand same day response to service calls (despite the fact that they went for the cheapest supplier, who are 300 miles away), where employers sometimes actually gave a damn about their staff, where it was actually practical to use the railways for business travel, where more people could reasonably expect to find a job near to where they live, and where it was more common for only one half of a couple to work, meaning that it was easier to relocate closer to work, and where jobs were more likely to last for long enough to make relocating closer to work something worth considering.

It's not purely down to selfishness, it's people doing what is necessary in order to survive in today's world. The boss doesn't care that there was some muppet doing 60 in the outside lane of the M4 this morning, all they care about is that you arrived at 9:02 so you get a mark against you in your HR file.

Idiophreak

fivetide wrote: »

How is that not saying speeding is ok?

ad·vo·cate   [v. ad-vuh-keyt; n. ad-vuh-kit, -keyt] Show IPA verb, -cat·ed, -cat·ing, noun
verb (used with object)
1.
to speak or write in favor of; support or urge by argument; recommend publicly:

I've not spoken in favour of speeding, I've not supported it, nor urged anyone to do it. I've not recommended it publicly or otherwise.

Admitting to something is not the same as advocating it.

The rest of your post is just a waste of everyone's time, so I won't bother responding. I really don't see why you've decided to take such issue with me on here. You should re-read the thread and realise that I've tried to be open and honest throughout, whilst you've been aggressive and personal. (although I was a little rude in my most recent reply, for which I apologise).

Trebor16

Strider590 wrote: »

No, this is what I said, perhaps you'd care to read it?



I'm clearly talking about those who accelerate to stop overtakers, those who swerve into the middle of the road to prevent overtaking, those who drive so as to obstruct your view and make overtaking harder, those who hog lane 3 and sit there at < 70mph.

If you look at the comments on this video, you'll see that the car driver swerved out to stop the bike overtaking him. Shocking??? not really, I see this !!!!!! everyday and it's this "i'm going to be a Policeman" attitude that poses a serious danger on our roads.

You didn't say that in your original post though. You used the term "obstruct" and implied that by driving at a set speed that they were "obstructing" other traffic. If you had said that people who accelerate when being overtaken or swerve out to block people that would have made sense.

But you didn't say that. In short you didn't make it clear what you were trying to say.

By the way, the video is as much use as a chocolate fireguard when it comes to supporting your view. All it shows is the biker commiting the offence of criminal damage.

lindopski_2

@Lum

I personally think that society has become very selfish over time.
I appreciate the reasons behind it, but the reasons are foul in themselves.
lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy & pride are the things that drive society today.
Mrs Thatcher however said there is no such thing as society so maybe I am dreaming.

I would quite happily give up all of my mod cons to be slap bang in the middle of the 60s right now.
I wouldnt be happy with the discrimination of black people and women but there is a whole lot else to love about the time.
We have equality now - but equal shares in something rotten doesnt mount up to much.

That is of course my own personal view and you have every right to challenge it just as everyone has the right to drive at 45 in a 30 - they just have to face the consequences at the end of it.
Avoiding killing someone then is down to a mix of skill and chance.

Lum

To be honest, I think the density of people these days is what brings out a lot of this behaviour.

Try driving at night, on a (comparatively) heavily used bit of motorway and people are a lot more considerate towards each other. Car drivers will move over as soon as a truck signals, and they'll move back in plenty of time for the big Audi that is approaching at a 3 figure speed. Even the white van drivers are courteous and considerate.

Switch to single track roads and, unless you're being a douchebag, lorries will let you know with a left signal that they're happy to be overtaken, as will a lot of slower moving cars.

Maybe it's because they don't get the change to get so angry because everyone else is nice too, maybe it's a mutual understanding that everyone around them has a job to do and just wants to get it over with, maybe it's because the lower traffic density makes these things possible.

It's not just on the roads either. I tend to find people in rural or surburban areas are more polite and considerate than those in the crowded city streets.

There is, apparently, a phenomenon to explain this. The human brain is only able to process and respond to so many people. Once you go above this the brain starts processing them as something less than human, such as obstacles or animals or insects, and only the people accompanying you, who you care about, get processed as people. This is just a natural feature of how the brain works and doesn't necessarily mean that the owner of that brain is selfish, but in conjunction with being under pressure to be in a certain place at a certain time it can give that appearance.

So the key to fixing this behaviour is to find a way to lower population density and spread people across the country more evenly.

Not something you or I can achieve, but something to think about before accusing everybody of being selfish, though I'm sure there are still some drivers that are just that.

Trebor16

Just out of interest, but how many of you have been "victims" of obstructive driving? How many have had vehicles accelerate as they have gone to over take them, or swerved across in front of you, or postioned themselves in such a way as to onstruct your vision?

Personally I haven't witnessed such behaviour in a long long time. No one has speeded up on me when I have overtaken them, no-one has swerved in my way and I don't recall anyone blocking my view. In fact, if your view is blocked could it be because you are driving too close to the vehicle in front?

ianbar0

people definately drive too close to the car/van in front, half the time thats why they cant pass because they cant see round it or get up speed quickly enough to over take.

on a totally different matter, why the hell do people drive with side lights on? you can barely see them, if its dark enough to need your lights put your main one on!

Bob_the_Saver

Lum wrote: »

To be honest, I think the density of people these days is what brings out a lot of this behaviour.

I totally agree, too many people are just too dense.