people driving sooooo slow cos they dont know the speed limit!

fivetide

Idiophreak wrote: »

Where have I advocated speeding, exactly?
Come on, man up, provide the quote.

Not hard.

I've said I speed - the two things are definitely not the same and I've made it very clear that I only speed *when it's safe to do so*. Do try to keep up.

How is that not saying speeding is ok?

I think you should try to keep up with yourself.

If you read my post (I know that's hard for you)

Of course coming from someone who asked me to show where we werer talking about speeding in 30 mph zones then suddenly shut up about when he was shown to be wrong. Again, you can't even read your own posts!!!

you'll note I said "Your car might be hit by a drunk driver",

And you'd note - if you had any mental comprehension ability, you were replying to me and I didn't say that so you made something up to fit your own argument.

what a plum.

but whatever...you're worried about me driving into the side of a drunk driver that comes out at 90MPH? There's still *nothing* you can do to guard against that (obviously depending on the amount of visibility of the side road etc). If you do 70 you might get past the junction before they arrive. If you do 60 you might be there just in time to hit them, if you do 50 you might get there just before...blah blah blah load of guff.

Again, without a crystal ball you simply do not know. In a 30 limit anything could happen.

Here's some lovely stats for you (note I have linked several articles to support what I have said. You are simply talking out of your backside.

Road deaths 2010 from the official stats:

Motorways113Built-up roads 20 mph630 mph54540 mph163All built-up roads714

Even someone as daft as you must be able to see that 30mph roads are amongst the most dangerous in the country?

This leads me on to the point below.

Again, try and read...There's a concrete wall,

I did, I referenced it. Don't try to be smart, it clearly doesn't suit someone of your limited faculties.

which means people can't get on to the road. Even if they managed to climb up onto the viaduct. There's ZERO chance of anyone walking out onto the road. Literally zero.

Sure?

They might walk *along* the road,

Uh oh....

sure...But they *can't* just step out.

they can and they will. If they can walk along it then they can step out into it.

From the same stats 405 pedestrians killed last year. I'm sure non of those intentionally stepped out but you know what? They did so for you to say it absolutely cannot happen shows how deluded you are. 405 dead people says I'm right and you are a pleb.

As I said, it's for noise concerns ONLY. Nothing to do with safety at all.

See above. Also consider the 5200 seriously injured pedestrians who absolutely couldn't have stepped out intio a road they were able to walk along.

No, despite what you seem to think, I'm not a tool and have no kind of bravado about speeding...I simply asked what exactly I was doing wrong.

So you aren't "a big man in real life" then? You did what I said and raised some issues without acting, as you so eloquently put it, 'like a tool'.

If you can clearly see the difference, why are you behaving like that on here?

I pointed out that I was clocked at 56/50 on a straight two lane dual carriageway, in no traffic, in perfect visibility with a dry road surface. His response was, like yours, that what I was doing wrong was breaking the law.

Too easy.

He couldn't actually explain what I was doing that was wrong, unsafe etc...you know why? Because I was doing nothing wrong

See? So so easy.

and was driving perfectly safely. He said that the limits are conservative and aren't infallible, but that you have to obey them anyway. Fair enough.

And my point (and that of others) is especially in a 30 limit. You realise on your section of road by doing 40 you save a whole ten seconds? You also wouldn't save any fuel because the effort of accelerating up to speed will take more juice than you'll save in that time period.

Also, as you've already had a speed awareness course is that ten seconds worth the 3 points/£60 fine if you get nabbed? Clearly you think so.

You're getting very hung up on my "quality of life" comment...and I think you've misunderstood it. Given the choice of getting somewhere faster or getting somewhere slower - most people would choose the first. In the absence of any compelling reason to go slower, I go faster. I don't think "wow, this will make my life so much better!" I just have better things to do with my life that dawdle at unnecessarily low speeds mandated by some clueless council jobsworth.

Again. 10 seconds saved v 5200 seriously injured. That's the calculation the planners are making in the vast majority of cases.

So, you think you're driving dangerously in higher speed limits? Because, after all, the limits are always there for safety, right? So if you're going faster, you're driving dangerously, right?

No didn't say that did I?

The fact is (and as shown by the stats above) you are more likely to kill someone speedign in a 30 than speedign on the motorway.

It is your argument about appropriate speed right back at you.

Or do you think that higher limits can be wrong, but the 30 limits are always right? I don't see how *what* the speed limit is effects whether you deem it worth obeying?

I'll tend to sit at an indicated 80 leptons so I'm probably doing 75mph. Still below the point where I'm likely to get pulled.

For you to be done for 56 in a 50 your speedo would have been reading over 60. That's you being stupid and rightly asking to get caught.

Have you ever been on a speed awareness course? From the idea you think you could "learn" something from them suggests not...

I've done:

Advanced on road driving
skid testing
BikeSafe (twice)
Nurburgring 3 times

I ride one of the fastest road goign motorbikes you can buy and unlike you, I've never been done for speeding.

Actually, I was quite looking forward to mine. I was looking forward to some spirited debate around speed limits, policing...I was really hoping to be proved wrong. To have them open my eyes to what I'd failed to understand for all these years...What happened, however, was somewhat disappointing. I was stuck in a room with a bunch of *horrible* drivers. He did a quiz and there were less than 10% of the people in the room that could tell you the correct national speed limit. We spent 3 hours going over stopping distances at 30 vs 40, the difference in fatality rates, how to handle tailgaters, lane discipline and a host of other random driving trivia. There honestly wasn't a single minute of the thing (aside from my question at the end) that was in any way related to the reason I was there.

I left more assured than ever that we should introduce annual driving tests, but with no revelations about the dangers of speeding...

You know what? The rest of the people in that room probably thought you were an arrogant muppet who was so self rightous that they learnt nothing at all.

5t.

warehouse

I see the !!!! wavers have taken over another thread.

Strider590

mikey72 wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

No, eveyone tells you what they see on your camera as well.

Just you that does't see how bad your driving really is.

And yet again you lower yourself to unwarranted personal attacks in a thread that's got the best part of f**kall to do with me or my driving.

Mrs_Arcanum

mikey72 wrote: »

The camera doesn't lie. Only going by what I see there, an idiot biker by the look of it. I've got the toolkit with the crowbar on top on the back seat for self defense if I need it. And if he ripped the mirror off my car, my foot would "accidently" slip off the clutch as well with the bike parked there.

Cameras are brilliant for lying. All the video showed was the end of the scenario - we have no guaranteed fact of the reality beforehand. However there WAS a big 30MPH marking on the road so one has to wonder what on earth the car driver was hoping to do.

My father should have stopped driving around 65 as his glaucoma was becoming a problem. There are other older drivers who really should stop driving. Got stuck behind an old man in a hat along a 50 limit road with solid white lines alternating along most of the road (undulating hills). The fastest he went was 25 & slowed down for every oncoming car :mad:. Then to top this off he slowed down to 5 mph to turn left without indicating. :eek:

The camera that picks up the most speeders locally (mostly in the wee small hours) also causes the most over braking. Road is 60 and fairly straight with good viability and the majority seem to brake hard to 50 or less as soon as the cameras are spotted. During the rush hour the fastest you are likely to go is 40 due to the junctions further ahead and volume of traffic.

Keeping traffic moving at a steady pace is better for fuel economy & reducing pollution, yet every system we have in place in the country seems to encourage hard braking and stop start driving. All this without throwing the self important "I know best and will slow everyone down" drivers.

Noticed the neighbours who have all learned to drive in the last few years seem to be very heavy brake users, is this the way they are taught these days? Only recently had to replace the front brakes & discs for the MoT after 7 years of driving our car (rear brakes are still OK).

mikey72

Strider590 wrote: »

And yet again you lower yourself to unwarranted personal attacks in a thread that's got the best part of f**kall to do with me or my driving.

You really do believe in your own world don't you?

You are quoting my post #131

If you want to come back down to reality, you'll find I was actually responding to your personal attack on me in the previous post.

Your post #130

Strider590 wrote: »

No it doesn't, except when it's my camera and ya'll make up little stories based on what you cannot see. Double standards?

The driver had to have done something, the biker isn't gonna stop like that for no reason.

Do you often try to kill bikers?? No?
Because that's what we're talking about here, attempted murder.

This is why you get slated so much. It's not just your driving, you really can't see you're always the first to do exactly what you complain of in others. If you don't want personal respones, don't start them.

lindopski_2

I am guilty of driving slow at times but there are reasons.

I drove in to work last week and was tailed in the 30 limit as usual as I was doing 30. I hit the bypass and took it easy to let the guy past and the 3 cars that were tailing him as well- all of them dropped a gear and vanished, firing past all of the cars that were already on the bypass as well.
This meant that by driving slow when hitting the bypass I lost a tailgater and his cronies - win!
The rest of us were then able to get up to speed without any morons behind in a hurry.

The bypass near my house has a 40 limit now due to roadworks, they have men walking along the other side of the cones and I stick to the limit they imposed. I hit the bypass at reasonable speed and then keep at 40 right through the cones. The run behind me is very straight and clear for about a mile or so and you can see the cars approach at the usual bypass speed of 70 till they reach me and slam on. Am I being unreasonable to them by keeping to the limit - I mean the signs say drive at 40 so I do - Is that wrong ?, it seems to be as I am always caught up by someone along that run.

A lot of the time the cars that are going 10 miles an hour slower than the speed limit are doing so because 5 minutes ago when they were going 5mph above it you were still right up there !!!!, so they want you to sod off and give you the opportunity to do so.
They will always take a roundabout in the left hand lane to let you clear off.
They will always make sure they hit a dual carriageway in the left hand lane to let you clear off.

The idiots that dont let you pass or make it difficult are making a rod for their own backs, if you want to attempt making the headlines then I am all for letting you past to do so.
I'll even look for you in the evening supplement.

I will fairly often pull over to let mr tailgate past in the 30 limit so he can go and kill some children, he is always greatful and speeds away merrily at 45+ to seek out his prey.

NBLondon

Mrs_Arcanum wrote: »

There are other older drivers who really should stop driving. Got stuck behind an old man in a hat along a 50 limit road with solid white lines alternating along most of the road (undulating hills). The fastest he went was 25 & slowed down for every oncoming car :mad:. Then to top this off he slowed down to 5 mph to turn left without indicating. :eek:

I hate to stereotype but I saw his cousin this morning... P reg Corsa and flat cap. Crossing South London about 7.45 am - all built-up area with a few schools and the traffic is flowing at about 27 between pelicans and junctions (unusually good in my experience). Corsa comes half out of a side road and pauses; plenty of space but I eased off a little anyway; he turns left ahead of me and accelerates up to 14. On the straight stretches, he makes it to 19. I'm hanging back because he's drifting about the lane a bit. 3 minutes later the Golf Git behind me gets fed up and blasts past at 35+. 5 minutes later the Corsa turns off left after stopping dead to read the road name he was looking for.

Lum

lindopski wrote: »

They will always take a roundabout in the left hand lane to let you clear off.
They will always make sure they hit a dual carriageway in the left hand lane to let you clear off.

Oh, how I wish this were true!

Strider590

lindopski wrote: »

I will fairly often pull over to let mr tailgate past in the 30 limit so he can go and kill some children, he is always greatful and speeds away merrily at 45+ to seek out his prey.

So you should, but don't think of it in that way!!

An enraged driver is far more dangerous than a speeding driver.
I say calm the situation and let them pass.....

This is what I don't understand when people are deliberately blocking other drivers, encouraging a driver into rage is FAR more dangerous than anything else.... So by trying to up hold their version of the law, they're actually creating a danger on the roads, because that angry driver WILL eventually get past and he (or often she) WILL go tanking off down the road even faster and more carelessly than before!

thescouselander

My mother in law drives at 40mph at all times no matter what the road or conditions. I'm sure you can all imagine how hairy this is when pulling onto a busy motorway but thats nothing compared with doing 40 in the carpark at sainsburys.