Time off for Eid

cbrown372

and if they are born here should they go to Rome?

lizzielondon

'our own faith' not mine thank you very much

christians are allowed christmas day off! and easter! this bloke wants a few days off work for an important (to some people) religious festival

He's messed his boss around by not requesting the time off sooner

Valli

Surely the issue here is NOT the religion of the employee but the fact that, despite having TWO 'suitable' occasions/opportunities to inform his new employer that he would 'like' time off in November, once at interview and once when the rota was sent out for approval, and chose not to inform the employer at those times, THEN asked later, was told it may not be possible THEN says 'I'll just take the time off, then'.

In fact Apples you may do well to document was has been said so far, by whom and when in case you DO choose to discipline this employee should the time be taken without permission so that he cannot claim unfair dismissal.

ETA- He can claim unfair dismissal but a court may well not agree.

ceridwen

lizzielondon wrote: »

'our own faith' not mine thank you very much

christians are allowed christmas day off! and easter! this bloke wants a few days off work for an important (to some people) religious festival

He's messed his boss around by not requesting the time off sooner

Well - whether we are or arent Christian (and I'm not incidentally...) we all know our "own" festivals and what dates are involved. We cant be expected to automatically know about other peoples' festivals - so if they want consideration from us - then they must give us plenty of warning of the fact. Otherwise we assume that they are operating by the maxim "When in Rome do as the Romans do".

hawk30

ceridwen wrote: »

The fact that this is a nominally Christian/but basically secular country.

We dont even allow for Christians (ie the stated religion this country is) to be able to demand Sundays off - so if we cant adapt for our own faith, then why would we adapt for someone else's?

When in Rome do as the Romans do.

The law applies as much to Christians as it does to Muslims. There was a case in 2005 where the employer was found to have indirectly discriminated against a practising Christian because they changed her work rota to incorporate Sundays. [FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

scheming_gypsy

lizzielondon wrote: »

christians are allowed christmas day off! and easter! this bloke wants a few days off work for an important (to some people) religious festival

Well they're not 'allowed' it off are they?. It's a public holiday but it doesn't mean that everywhere closes and people have it off.

lizzielondon

want to thank cbrown but no thanks button!

lizzielondon

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

Well they're not 'allowed' it off are they?. It's a public holiday but it doesn't mean that everywhere closes and people have it off.

for people working in places which don't close on those days... I suspect christians are allowed those days off for religious reasons if those days are important to them? Is that not correct?

scheming_gypsy

I don't think so, i think they have to let their employer know so they can arrange shifts around it, and also try and get shift swaps. Don't think they tell their employer when the rotas have been done and then tell them that they're having it off anyway

ceridwen

lizzielondon wrote: »

for people working in places which don't close on those days... I suspect christians are allowed those days off for religious reasons if those days are important to them? Is that not correct?

Possibly they are - but I dont think you've grasped my point that times like Christmas and Easter are KNOWN important dates for the KNOWN religion of this country. We know our own ways - we dont necessarily know other peoples ways (hence why this employee needed to give the appropriate amount of notice - otherwise the employer wouldnt have had the faintest idea that he might want this time off).

When one employs someone the concerns are pure and simple:
- can they do the job?
- are they honest/reliable/presentable?

Bingo...end of...we dont stop and think "Are they some other religion?" any more than we would ask them if their hair colour was their own or had been dyed - ie because its their business and their business only and we wouldnt expect to concern ourselves with it.