Tube Drivers get £50k Deal.

harz99

Anyway to go back to the OP.

Are tube drivers worth £50k plus; probably not. Can you fault their Union for getting them the settlement they have; probably not.

Can you fault the Tube management for agreeing this deal without significantly better strings attached; most definitely.

Is Mr Crow an a******e of the highest order; most definitely.

Unless of course your a tube driver (which I'm not).;)

ess0two

jc808 wrote: »

A plane is mostly pilotless insofar it is packed with automated systems.

DLR runs without drivers.

Other train systems around the world run OK without drivers

Your arguement is pretty bad to be fair

Whos arguing???

The plane is essentially like the tube train then,push button off we go,i know i'd like the re-assurance of a human should the system fail.

Trouble is though,all these automated systems in jets,make the pilot lazy / out of touch when hand flying is required.

IronWolf

harz99 wrote: »

And what was the name of the American pilot who landed an all singing all dancing new plane on the Hudson River when its computer systems failed to cope with a problem?

No loss of life due to human intervention...............................

Yes, that's why planes still should have pilots

Trains however, all you need is an emergency brake, which can be operated by remote access by an operator, or by any passenger on the train. Doesnt need someone on £50k a year on a train.

chewmylegoff

crazyguy wrote: »

I dont know why I am even bothering to respond to you as you clearly cannot understand the simple facts.

You are pretty much building it from scratch, hence why I posted the link.

I suggest before replying with yet another idiotic comment in the hopes of goading me try looking into this a bit more before claiming that you know the answers on a subject you oviously have no clue on at all.

i'm glad we have you to set us straight in the face of actual facts i.e. this all being implemented elsewhere (and in fact on our own tube network in the last year) without bankrupting the country and killing all the passengers.

in the face of actual evidence, your argument, unsubstantiated by anything, is that it is impossible because the whole network would have to be rebuilt from scratch (despite this not actually happening when the implemented it on the paris metro, or in the case of the jubilee line upgrade) and this would cost more money than us mere mortals can comprehend (despite the paris metro being able to afford it, and the jubilee line upgrade costing rather less than bailing out RBS).

still, feel free to keep banging your head against the wall, and reserving your right to "think your stupid".

chewmylegoff

IronWolf wrote: »

Yes, that's why planes still should have pilots

Trains however, all you need is an emergency brake, which can be operated by remote access by an operator, or by any passenger on the train. Doesnt need someone on £50k a year on a train.

if the choice was between paying a driver £50k, and putting emergency braking entirely in the hands of the average angry commuter, who is standing there secretly wishing that everyone else on the carriage would die, then that would be about the only compelling argument for paying a driver £50k.

C_Mababejive

Well done Bob Crowe i say...

This just proves that in unionised industries,you get better pay and conditions.

The ones who are carping about it are mostly just envious.

Who wouldnt want to get £50k for driving a tube train..? Put me down for it.

ninky_2

All these drivers are doing is acting collectively and using their bargaining power to protect their own interests. Don't see what is wrong with that. Capital does it all the time.

It seems some are just rather peeved and jealous of the results.

worldtraveller

ninky wrote: »

All these drivers are doing is acting collectively and using their bargaining power to protect their own interests.

Yes, good luck to them and their unions selfish attitude which causes misery, several times a year to their customers, and costs the economy tens of millions in lost productivity. Personally I hope that their employers are looking after the interests of their customers and will be bringing in driverless trains at the earliest possible opportunity. With increasing technological advances, tube workers will no longer be able to hold the city to ransom.

onlyroz

As a comparison, the average police officer earns £36k. How do you think their level of responsibility compares with a tube driver?

The_White_Horse

as a london worker i would be more than willing to see the tube for shut for a year (especially during the olympics) than see 1p go to these hateful striking useless people. a tube driver should be on no more than 20k. a one day travel card is nearly a tenner now. it is a sham. and this 50k pay deal is SEPARATE from any deal for working during the olympics. spiteful greedy lefy unions.