Tax credits, is this true?

kingfisherblue

Cornish_piskie wrote: »

You're backtracking now - you stated that people should take out insurance policies. Show me a company that will sell you such a policy.

What if, in the future, when your child is at school, they make friends with a child from one of these benefit-claiming families - will you have the guts to tell them to their face what you think of them? I doubt it. And hey, by then you might be a single mother claiming benefit just to keep life and soul together. While I respect anybody's opinion on any topic, your generalisations have been quite astonishingly narrow-minded and bigoted. I agree that there are claimants who abuse the system, claimants who COULD work but don't but to say that you will never agree with a welfare state but will happily be a recipient of it (in one form or another) is just hilarious. As I said - you wouldn't have even thought about claiming tax credits if you were so hellbent on providing for yourself so why post in the first place?:cool:

Thankyou kingefisherblue - to be honest I was gobsmacked when I found out how much some care packages cost.:eek:

Backtracking maybe - or hopefully learning that life isn't always rosy and that there are people who rely on benefits through no fault of their own. I would like to think that Jessikita has been educated this evening in an area of which she had no knowledge.

Jessikita1983

kingfisherblue wrote: »

Thank you - it isn't easy to admit that you might not have been right.

It has been an interesting, and, at times, frustrating debate. Carers are the forgotten people in society for much of the time, yet we are valuable not just to the people that we care for, but also to the country's economy. I hope that you have found the comments from myself and other posters informative and interesting.

Debate is something I am very much used too and I relish the opportunity to see the other side of a point, sounds cheesy but I am genuine. I would just like to reiterate the fact (for later psoters like cornish picksie who is raising points we have already been through!) that my comments were not aimed specifically at carers, more the benefit claimants that I have encountered (The ones I have repeatedly described!)

Jessikita1983

i misread a post. Getting tired eyes now!

Jessikita1983

Cornish piskie - You have joined the debate far to late to provide me with anymore useful information.

The points you raise so far - all legitimate, I have mostly been through with other posters.

I have not "changed" my opinion on the plight of carers, I didn't have one to start with as my experience of benefit claimants were the ones listed in previous posts above.

I have now formed an opinion similar to the ones stated by Kingfisherblue.

All your other comments about the welfare state, I completely respect your opinion and your right to hold it and express it, but you will not change my mind. I have debated these issues many times with a diverse range of people and took comments/feedback on board.

My own Mother is hugely supportive of the NHS and we frequently debate. But to no avail.

I am afraid as bigotted and as short sighted etc as you may feel I am, my mind is made up.

And I would express my opinions to ANYONE. Even to the face of one of the people you have doubted I would.

Goodnight.

Cornish_piskie

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

Cornish piskie - You have joined the debate far to late to provide me with anymore useful information.

The points you raise so far - all legitimate, I have mostly been through with other posters.

I have not "changed" my opinion on the plight of carers, I didn't have one to start with as my experience of benefit claimants were the ones listed in previous posts above.

I have now formed an opinion similar to the ones stated by Kingfisherblue.

All your other comments about the welfare state, I completely respect your opinion and your right to hold it and express it, but you will not change my mind. I have debated these issues many times with a diverse range of people and took comments/feedback on board.

My own Mother is hugely supportive of the NHS and we frequently debate. But to no avail.

I am afraid as bigotted and as short sighted etc as you may feel I am, my mind is made up.

And I would express my opinions to ANYONE. Even to the face of one of the people you have doubted I would.

Goodnight.

So sorry I didn't join in your debate at the correct time :rotfl:

I'm glad you see the carer situation a little clearer with the help of kingfisher - walk a mile in their shoes and all that.

Perhaps if you could see other situations with a little less tainted view then you might, just might, change more of your opinions. Even more so should you ever be in need of this welfare state you so dislike.

Anyway, I wish you well. Don't forget to choose your private healthcare, education and that insurance policy(!) wisely - after all, you wouldn't want to avail yourself of the benefits of the wefare state now - would you?

Seriously, I am with you on some points - I can't bear fraudulent claimants and those who just can't be bothered to work. However, the stereotypes you came up with (single mothers of multiple children, lazy flat screen watching layabouts) are more few and far between than you imagine them to be. 'Mainstream' recipients of the welfare state are me, your neighbour, your family, your friends and you. Best keep that in mind.

Take care and goodnight.

merlin68

One thing that confuses me is how you have worked and contributed since 13. My Dd's being trying to get a saturday job and none will take her till she leaves school. I even asked in Mcdonalds and they won't takee them till the 20th june. She's 16 next month. she's got the offer of 2 jobs. One in Debenhams and one at my other DD's disabled club but they won't take her yet.

merlin68

If you were on the dole you would get £105 a week for a couple. £54 ctc and £20 child benifit. It's hardly enough to have a holiday on.
It wouldn't even pay your bills.

SingleSue

merlin68 wrote: »

One thing that confuses me is how you have worked and contributed since 13. My Dd's being trying to get a saturday job and none will take her till she leaves school. I even asked in Mcdonalds and they won't takee them till the 20th june. She's 16 next month. she's got the offer of 2 jobs. One in Debenhams and one at my other DD's disabled club but they won't take her yet.

Things have changed, I was working from age 11 doing a paper round and then from aged 12 in a restaurant washing dishes.....now most places apart from paper round jobs, require you to be 16 or over.

We had the same experience with eldest, he started trying at age 13 and they told him to come back next year, he would go back a year later and they would tell him come back another year later and so on, until he was 16 and finally he was old enough for someone to offer him a job (he still has not reached the top of the list for a paper round in this area - he put his name down when he was 8)

skipsmum

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

Not necessarily, a physical disability no problem.

"ADHD" or whatever the made up condition for naughty, lacking discipline kids, it is called YES.

I object to paying carer's allowance for a parent of a child under 5 years old. If you find that personal and offensive so be it. If I stayed at home with my child, I would only get the ordinary benefit. To be paid a seperate benefit to look after your own child when you would be caring for a child that age anyway is taking the welfare state too far.

Please try and spend an hour with a kid who has ADHD. I hope you are blessed with healthy children. I hope you never have the need to become more aware of disability and the drastic effects it can have on your life.

Lilybeth

jessikita - I am 100% behind you on this, how dare people judge you for asking a simple question they have no idea about you or your outgoings.
Me and my husband have always worked and we have children whereby we have to juggle everything, when I went on maternity leave we where both working had "saved" for me to have enough maternity with our new born etc so asked for nothing from anyone…..THEN my husband decided to fall down and snap his knee and therefore was out of work too I was on statutory maternity pay 124.25 per week and my husband on Employment support £ 45 a week (luckily it was on here we learnt about this benefit because we have never claimed in our lives either!)
well as you can imagine we had mortgage and everything else to pay so we thought lets phone up maybe a crisis loan or something/someone could help us .. they worked it all out and offered us £1.00 .... we declined, but the reason we where not offered more is because we have worked!! .. the lady on the phones words to us where that if we had never worked we would have been better of and would have got help.
im appalled with how this country works and can 100% see where you are coming from.
Unfortunately you will always get opinionated people that if they dont like what they read should switch of rather then add no value to an innocent question asked.
Good luck with it all