Tax credits, is this true?

melly1980

xXMessedUpXx wrote: »

I'm interested to know what illnesses pass for genuine now...

thought she explained it well.

They are the ones that "she believes" are genuine. Hope thats cleared that up for you :rotfl:

Jessikita1983

kingfisherblue wrote: »

Excellent post, Cornish piskie. I didn't know that it was possible to have care packages that cost so much though. I think carers offer excellent value for money

This whole post completely, again misses the original point I was making.

Yes it will cost the NHS for me to have 1 child etc. But it will cost the same as someone who is on benefits (in the circumstances I have complained about, not carers, disabled people etc) who has contributed nothing and done nothing but take out.

kingfisherblue

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

I understand that I may have come across as unsympathic towards you and disabled people, I really am not. I cannot imagine what it is like to have a child with disabilities and I do sympathise with your son and your position. My Secondary School had a specialist unit for disabled people attached to the School and I did see some of the care requirements they needed. There is not an easy answer.

I really do try not to stereo type but unfortunately my 4 years in my current role has done nothing to change my opinion, only reinforced the stereotype, I went in with an open mind, only to find my scenario above to be the case 99% of the time, or very similar examples (I won't list them all)

If I did have a disabled child, my opinions about the people in my above paragraph would still not change!

Yes, a "tinny" is a can/tin of beer or the like.

I'm not asking you to change your opinions about layabouts, just to consider the work that carers do and the low benefit payment that we do it for. After all, although carer's allowance is supposed to replace a wage, nobody earns just £55.55 a week for at least 35 hours do they?

There are a large number of carers in the UK, including young carers under 16. Please take the time to read this link, which has some basic facts about the statistics concerning disabled people and their carers:

http://www.dlf.org.uk/content/key-facts

Jessikita1983

I am going to bed now.

Goodnight all. Thank you for this interesting debate and I take all your comments and opinions on board, even if I do not agree, I thank you all for the debate and views.

(I am not being sarcastic before anyone starts.)

kingfisherblue

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

This whole post completely, again misses the original point I was making.

Yes it will cost the NHS for me to have 1 child etc. But it will cost the same as someone who is on benefits (in the circumstances I have complained about, not carers, disabled people etc) who has contributed nothing and done nothing but take out.

But you have complained about carers - after all, according to you, we should all be out working. You obviously don't see caring for a disabled person as working, and perhaps it isn't. We don't have set hours, breaks after a certain amount of time, the minimum wage, holiday pay, paid overtime (I know that some people have to do unpaid overtime, but many people would get paid or receive time off in leiu if they worked over their contracted hours).

Imagine if we demanded all of these rights and more. What a state the economy would be in then!

Jessikita1983

kingfisherblue wrote: »

I'm not asking you to change your opinions about layabouts, just to consider the work that carers do and the low benefit payment that we do it for. After all, although carer's allowance is supposed to replace a wage, nobody earns just £55.55 a week for at least 35 hours do they?

There are a large number of carers in the UK, including young carers under 16. Please take the time to read this link, which has some basic facts about the statistics concerning disabled people and their carers:

http://www.dlf.org.uk/content/key-facts

That's fair enough. indeed after years of debate my mind is well and truly made up.

I will do and I genuinely appreciate the debate for opening me up to an aspect of life that I was ignorant too.

Jessikita1983

kingfisherblue wrote: »

But you have complained about carers - after all, according to you, we should all be out working. You obviously don't see caring for a disabled person as working, and perhaps it isn't. We don't have set hours, breaks after a certain amount of time, the minimum wage, holiday pay, paid overtime (I know that some people have to do unpaid overtime, but many people would get paid or receive time off in leiu if they worked over their contracted hours).

Imagine if we demanded all of these rights and more. What a state the economy would be in then!

The above was commented before I took on board some of the points you made and your suggested reading.

After mooting what I thought, I am coming around to your way of thinking.

Cornish_piskie

You're backtracking now - you stated that people should take out insurance policies. Show me a company that will sell you such a policy.

What if, in the future, when your child is at school, they make friends with a child from one of these benefit-claiming families - will you have the guts to tell them to their face what you think of them? I doubt it. And hey, by then you might be a single mother claiming benefit just to keep life and soul together. While I respect anybody's opinion on any topic, your generalisations have been quite astonishingly narrow-minded and bigoted. I agree that there are claimants who abuse the system, claimants who COULD work but don't but to say that you will never agree with a welfare state but will happily be a recipient of it (in one form or another) is just hilarious. As I said - you wouldn't have even thought about claiming tax credits if you were so hellbent on providing for yourself so why post in the first place?:cool:

Thankyou kingefisherblue - to be honest I was gobsmacked when I found out how much some care packages cost.:eek:

kingfisherblue

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

The above was commented before I took on board some of the points you made and your suggested reading.

After mooting what I thought, I am coming around to your way of thinking.

Thank you - it isn't easy to admit that you might not have been right.

It has been an interesting, and, at times, frustrating debate. Carers are the forgotten people in society for much of the time, yet we are valuable not just to the people that we care for, but also to the country's economy. I hope that you have found the comments from myself and other posters informative and interesting.

Jessikita1983

Cornish_piskie wrote: »

You're backtracking now - you stated that people should take out insurance policies. Show me a company that will sell you such a policy. I am entitled, after discussion and debate to change my opinion, which I have done, on my opinion on an NHS for disabled people. I have not changed it for everyone else. I would like to see a private health service, paid for by individuals and insurance policies.

What if, in the future, when your child is at school, they make friends with a child from one of these benefit-claiming families - will you have the guts to tell them to their face what you think of them? I doubt it. Yes I would, and have done already in several situations, you do not know me personally.And hey, by then you might be a single mother claiming benefit just to keep life and soul together. While I respect anybody's opinion on any topic, your generalisations have been quite astonishingly narrow-minded and bigoted. I agree that there are claimants who abuse the system, claimants who COULD work but don't but to say that you will never agree with a welfare state but will happily be a recipient of it (in one form or another) is just hilarious. It is not, you are missing my point entirely. I do not agree with the welfare state but since I am FORCED to pay for something I am going to use it. that would be like paying to rent a film and not watching it.As I said - you wouldn't have even thought about claiming tax credits if you were so hellbent on providing for yourself so why post in the first place?:cool: I do agree with tax credits, as they generally do help working people. - see earlier posts.

Thankyou kingefisherblue - to be honest I was gobsmacked when I found out how much some care packages cost.:eek:

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