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:mad: They don't pay overtime and it cant take it as time off.DO WE WORK FOR FREE?
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My son also works in a supermarket. When he moved to his present post, if is on the late shift he frequently has to work over his hours to close down the departemnt he is in. He does not get paid for this, nor have time off in lieu. He actually does it willingly, he considers it as part of getting the department ready for the early shift the following day, and that if the job is not done during working hours, (which if he is on his own on the department, is difficult,) sobeit. He has told the management that they need more than one person on the late shift in order to finish on time, and sometimes that person has been supplied.
He was employee of the week last week and is being considered for a further promotion.
Is it right that he should have to do this? No, but tha tis how supermarket jobs are these days and if you ever want to get further than the bottom, this is what you have to do.(AKA HRH_MUngo)
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But wouldnt it be the case that "Yep...the employer can say overtime is contractual" (depending on what the contract says) - BUT the employer would have to pay for said overtime if they want it.
I understand where OP is coming from when they say that the job is paid hourly - ie implication is that she is treated exactly the same as other shopfloor workers - ie "If management want overtime - then they must pay for it".
No - even contractual overtime can be unpaid. Sorry, it isn't that I don't entirely agree with the OP, but what I agree with and what the law says are not the same thing. Provided it isn't contractual then the OP's OH is perfectly entitled to say that her hours are completed and she is refusing. And the employer is perfectly entitled to start nit-picking disciplinaries ("five minutes late, formal warning"), to suddenly discover that holiday requests are "not convenient due to business needs" or to decide that she isn't a "team player" and block promotion. I get that it isn't "fair", but I am also perfectly aware that it happens all too often and there isn't a thing that can be done about it. Until the law stipulates specifically that all overtime/additional hours must be compensated in some way, then this is just the way the world is, and I suspect that hell will freeze over before we see such legislation.0 -
the other side is why promote someone who you can keep just above base wages whilst scoring free hours from them
If the person is genuinely good enough to be ready for a step up that strikes me as very short sighted management. In business you are usually going to have a churn of employees that means promotions will be required.
On an hourly rate as opposed to a salary I understand why this is contentious (those on a salary who moan about a little unpaid OT crack me up to be honest..) but ultimately, she can always leave if she doesn't like it.Go round the green binbags. Turn right at the mouldy George Elliot, forward, forward, and turn left....at the dead badger0 -
If the person is genuinely good enough to be ready for a step up that strikes me as very short sighted management. In business you are usually going to have a churn of employees that means promotions will be required.
On an hourly rate as opposed to a salary I understand why this is contentious (those on a salary who moan about a little unpaid OT crack me up to be honest..) but ultimately, she can always leave if she doesn't like it.
it may strike you as that but its a reality Im sure many will share
the line of leaving if she doesnt like isnt really sensible in this economy,is it?
thats the attitude that creates this situation. dumbing it down because someone is happy (or desperate enough)to be treated worse than the person who left0 -
it may strike you as that but its a reality Im sure many will share
the line of leaving if she doesnt like isnt really sensible in this economy,is it?
thats the attitude that creates this situation. dumbing it down because someone is happy (or desperate enough)to be treated worse than the person who left
Seriously? You can't see that putting in a bit of short term extra effort can reap longer terms rewards? I'm beginning to see why the post office has a repuatation as such an efficient and viable business....
Oh and she can of course work to rule as I said previously...just don't be surprised when she gets made redundant or the promotion fairy doesn't come a -knockin'Go round the green binbags. Turn right at the mouldy George Elliot, forward, forward, and turn left....at the dead badger0 -
Seriously? You can't see that putting in a bit of short term extra effort can reap longer terms rewards? I'm beginning to see why the post office has a repuatation as such an efficient and viable business....
Oh and she can of course work to rule as I said previously...just don't be surprised when she gets made redundant or the promotion fairy doesn't come a -knockin'
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i have never worked at the Post Office so I have no idea where that is relevant,nor why you have decided it is my only experience of the big bad world of work0 -
That's supermarket environment for you, I probably got the equivalent of 2 lunch breaks on a normal 5 day working week, as well as working late at the end of my shift. I was told to "take my time back" but in reality it was never possible.
A common occurrence for me was to have 2 or 3 tills open at 6 o clock at night, which for a large store isn't really feasible, and would have customers screaming in my face for a whole 9 hour shift sometimes.
The best thing for your partner to do in my opinion is speak to HR about it, if they aren't willing to accommodate her, is there any chance she can step down so to speak, and go back to having no responsibility that way she could leave at the end of her shift, and would be entitled to her breaks.
She does not want to take her breaks, and it is not like she takes a couple during the week..she takes none! and she can live with it....that's not the issue...What they want her to do is stay more hours than her contract states, and don't pay a penny for them!
I think i can only say it louder...but not clear...it is is complete disgrace...0 -
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she can of course work to rule as I said previously...
She doesnt work to the rule, she already doesnt take any of her breaks and she doesnt mind doing some OT if needed...but in a regular basis????
Why this happens i wonder....I guess that loads of people will think likewise, and that someone can work 42h (by rule), earn just above £900 (by rule), and put in another 4 extra hours a week for free!...yeah! bravo0 -
I understand what you're saying, but I'm also saying it's difficult. I agree with SarEl, if she moans and complains it could backfire on her when it comes to needing favours from them, be it holidays, time off for doctors appointments etc.
It is a disgrace, but all I can say is, in most supermarkets I know of it is expected of you, so you either suck it up and do it, or go against the grain and see where it gets you.The frontier is never somewhere else. And no stockades can keep the midnight out.0
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