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A._Badger

I_luv_cats wrote: »

Thatcher was in the 80's, dole money was in the 80's and there was a breakdown in family life and discipline too.

I hate to break it to you but the rot set in long before you think.

TruckerT

I_luv_cats wrote: »

!!!!!! are the jobs going to come from???

Maybe 'proper' jobs will disappear, as 'proper' employers buckle under the burden of EU and Health & Safety regulations

Maybe we'll all go back to the bad old days of queuing up for one day's work at a time, with no 'regulation' in sight

TruckerT

Herbie_Hancock_I_wish

I left school in the late 60`s . No way could you not find a job , in fact employers often were touting for rookies . Sadly , due to illness I am unable to work . Not proud about that . After coping with a life time of illness , yet holding down decent jobs , it has finally beat me . So at 62 I have a few benefits . Hardly ashamed of that afier paying in for 40 years , yet I miss the firing line . Even with disabilities I loved working . However a severe mental breakdown did for me last year . Didn`t see that one coming and although slightly on the mend I am completely fed up with it .

Yet I have time to ponder on the deeper side of what seems to be going on . Perhaps I will talk about my thoughts at another time .

Herbie_Hancock_I_wish

REWlRED_GHUOL wrote: »

If people can sit down at home watching Jezza Kyle 24 hours a day then they can sit down to do some meaningful work for 8 hours a day.

Hope that was not pointed at me . I have never watched that particular show . I find it yet more repugnant TV broadcasting . Indeed I agree that there some who may well do as you indicated and certainly agree , yet where will those jobs come from ?

It is fine to say folk can work but only if the jobs are there .

flossy_splodge

kabayiri wrote: »

Before we spend vast amounts of money to change, and create serious upheaval, I think we have to ask ourselves, what sort of a society does modern Britain want, with a close eye on achievability as a second Q.

I have argued before that the National Census was a missed opportunity to ask everyone loads of Qs, and gain a picture of the outlook of Britains everywhere. Not just how many bedrooms you have, but about schools and health and job security etc.

If you have ever been to the Scandanavian countries like Denmark, you realise you can have both a relatively high tax but also happy society. I am not saying they have some kind of utopian set up, but it seems more balanced and sustainable.

Finally, go for a walk in Snowdonia, or the High Peak, or the Yorkshire Dales, or vast parts of Scotland, and you will see just how much beauty and wealth there is in this country. It's not all gloom and doom.

Forgive me but your post made me laugh. Denmark?
Please! You are joking aren't you?
And some say the Scots are dour. Well go see the danish.
I was there earlier this year and not a smile to be seen.
A thoroughly miserable lot.
And what an unprepossessing place Copenhagen is. Reminds me of 1950's Britain. Just not quite up to the mark somehow.
So sorry but I don't feel the case has been made for excessively high(er) taxes at all.:eek:

kabayiri

flossy_splodge wrote: »

Forgive me but your post made me laugh. Denmark?
Please! You are joking aren't you?
And some say the Scots are dour. Well go see the danish.
I was there earlier this year and not a smile to be seen.
A thoroughly miserable lot.
And what an unprepossessing place Copenhagen is. Reminds me of 1950's Britain. Just not quite up to the mark somehow.
So sorry but I don't feel the case has been made for excessively high(er) taxes at all.:eek:

You are right about Copenhagen Were you on a tourist trip? It is an underwhelming city.

But you miss the point. It doesn't matter what you think. Both myself and DH have worked with lots of Danes over here and there, and in general they are quite a contented lot. Just because they don't smile much tells us nothing.

Have you actually worked in a Danish business at all?

CLAPTON

we could of course start to invest rather than cut.

we have roads full of potholes that do lots of damage to cars and cause accidents

we need more housing but building is at it's lowest for 40 years

we need to improve train transport.. every train I travel on is packed with people standing

we could build a new runway at London Airport to prevent the decline of Heathrow

we could improve vocational training to we have enough builders, electricians, plumber etc to sustain improving our infrastructure

it would create jobs now but also be an investment for the future

ILW

CLAPTON wrote: »

we could of course start to invest rather than cut.

we have roads full of potholes that do lots of damage to cars and cause accidents

we need more housing but building is at it's lowest for 40 years

we need to improve train transport.. every train I travel on is packed with people standing

we could build a new runway at London Airport to prevent the decline of Heathrow

we could improve vocational training to we have enough builders, electricians, plumber etc to sustain improving our infrastructure

it would create jobs now but also be an investment for the future

Who do you suggest we borrow the money from to pay for all this?

kabayiri

ILW wrote: »

Who do you suggest we borrow the money from to pay for all this?

That's a tricky one.

I agree with the investment thing. In general I would invest in infrastructure projects rather than pay out more money to individuals on benefits.

This would be a rebalancing act of state spending, and I don't doubt it would be painful and unpopular.

Going4TheDream

ILW wrote: »

Who do you suggest we borrow the money from to pay for all this?

Perhaps by not paying all the millions we pay to the Eu and even overseas aid for a start. Am not against Aid where needed but why we are giving it places that have the money for a space program, that would be a good place to start?