Phone Missold?

Cash-Strapped.T32

Agreed with the above, and I seriously hope you don't mean to say my post was sarcastic either, if so then there's something wrong with the world, or the internet.
(in fact it was mainly aimed to help clarify that BiS isn't all that important compared to what any competent smartphone does natively)

However to answer your point directly, not having BiS won't stop you from using apps, even at it's worst you can install apps directly from their .jad/.jar setup files, like you can with iOS, Android, or any other operating system etc..

BBM, is another matter, but surely it's just another group message system like a wide open ICQ? I would normally make a joke about here, maybe something tasteless like "you're not planning any riots are you?" but I don't want to upset you, I do not actually enjoy upsetting people.
But an a more serious note, do you really know enough people all owning Blackberries to make it something you'd ever use beyond the first day's exploring?

It won't hurt your email use either - Unless you keep an email client running 24/7 like in your office, you won't miss push email.
(and from a purely personal standpoint I can't think of many more annoying things a phone might do than go bingly-beep every time another appendage-growth email lands in your inbox, it's bad enough at work let alone in the other 10% of my life.).

Anyhow, best of luck with it all in all honesty, no-one actually wants to read posts by unhappy people, so I really do hope you get on well with it, but personally I wouldn't have read any of the replies so far as being anything less than helpful.

(I used to frequent programming boards where even casual banter used to be so sharp you could shave with it in a morning at one time..)

grumbler

DUTR wrote: »

... the sales rep simply is fetching a handset from the store and doing the necessary on the till,...

It is not simple fetching. He has to know at least a little about the goods he is selling. Yes, he cannot know everything. If asked about something that he doesn't know he must say this honestly instead of lying blatantly in order to complete the sale and to get his commission.

scheming_gypsy

It might not cost more to use the Blackberry services; your service provider may be able to move you onto a Blackberry service plan at the same cost. Orange did it for me when i got sick of my HTC Mozart and bought a Blackberry off eBay

DUTR

grumbler wrote: »

It is not simple fetching. He has to know at least a little about the goods he is selling. Yes, he cannot know everything, and if he doesn't know he must say this honestly instead of lying blatantly in order to complete the sale and to get his commission.

Yes I over simplified it, very often though some purchasers of certain products may well be more versed about the product being purchased than the seller, with the wonders of technology today, the OP could have quite rightly discovered what he now knows by asking here or via a multiple of places. It sort of seems the handset was purchased on a whim, so the plan for the OP is to reduce the 'loss' although a 100% refund may not be possible.

DUTR

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

It might not cost more to use the Blackberry services; your service provider may be able to move you onto a Blackberry service plan at the same cost. Orange did it for me when i got sick of my HTC Mozart and bought a Blackberry off eBay

A good idea or trade some minutes/texts allowance to offset the BB charge.

swimsink

DUTR wrote: »

Many of us are parents, but there is lots to life other than parenting, no need to go into the store all guns blazing, the sales rep simply is fetching a handset from the store and doing the necessary on the till, the purchaser also has an obligation to carry out their own homework before making a purchase. Who knows the store may have a generous returns policy, but going in guns blazing is likely to have you leaving even more dissapointed.

When I said I didn't want to go in their all guns blazing I meant I wasn't going to sorry that maybe sounded like I was going to...
I understand that many people are parents but all the same if your a single parent with no support network do you drag your pre schooler into town on buses to sit in a phone shop? I know where my priorities lie and it's not there... I understand what your saying but they also are trained to know about the networks, phones etc as they sell them! I have friends who have worked in phone shops before and it was almost embarassing the amount of useless phone stuff they could reel off. Haha. I think I am going to go in and ask, as I can't come off any worse.
Cashstrapped, i didn't mean you, no.

swimsink

grumbler wrote: »

I was wrong. You wouldn't be able to return even unused handset: If it's still looks like unopened, you can try on Monday to accuse them of misselling and to return it, but this will not be easy.

I don't really want to lie, I think i'm going to try to appeal to their better nature.
Also it was my service provider who said it would be £5 p/m however I didn't now the trade off thing was poss, I have 1500 mins a month and use probably 200 at most, which is a good idea if possible?

hicky45

Unfortunately you should have researched this prior to buying the handset. Some networks see mobile internet as regular or blackberry services so it is half right what the salesman was saying

Buzby

P4U and 'better nature' is an oxymoron. In the sales guy's defence, a PAYG handset is NOT the same as SIM-free. You can end up talking at cross purposes, each stating the truth, but misunderstanding what the other is actually saying. If there was no network branding on your PAYG handset or box, then it is genuinely SIM free. If not, it wasn't!

scheming_gypsy

swimsink wrote: »

I don't really want to lie, I think i'm going to try to appeal to their better nature.
Also it was my service provider who said it would be £5 p/m however I didn't now the trade off thing was poss, I have 1500 mins a month and use probably 200 at most, which is a good idea if possible?

the BB add on package IS £5 a month extra. But when i got my BB i phoned Orange and asked to stick the package onto my bundle but after a month it stopped working. When i phoned them to find out why the lady i spoke to said it had been added on as a temporary bundle. I explained that i'd got rid of the HTC and bought a Blackberry and she just changed my tariff to a Blackberry package at the same price.

Your provider may not do it but it's always worth asking