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Advise landlord: Noise/sound proofing
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Noise from normal everyday living would not be a stat nuisance. Check your case law! Southwark LBC v Mills (House of Lords)
(More than trainee EHO!)0 -
Environmental Health definately do do these kind of visits, Ive been out on many of them.
(Training EHO)
They DO visit, but just decide that nothing can be done!
We'd all be walking around with cotton wool stuck to our feet if "normal noise" was a massive problem, and Envionmental Health stuck their noses into THAT!
There's enough Big Brother over here already (made worse by "Celebrity Big Brother" Okay, it was a CRAP joke, accepted!).
I know I'm repeating a previous post by myself, but people generally KNOW if they are too noisy (music on at full volume, parties without asking the neighbours, etc) and a bit of consideration wouldn't go amiss.
These nuisance neighbours do need to be sorted, as they can cause their neighbours to live a life on misery (another poster has advised she has complained about her neighbours, is now ill, and getting her house grafiti'd because she has made an issue. This needs to stop as it is completely unacceptable).
Normal noises (cat footsteps was in the OP) - piffle.0 -
anotherginger wrote: »Noise from normal everyday living would not be a stat nuisance. Check your case law! Southwark LBC v Mills (House of Lords)
(More than trainee EHO!)
Yep totally agree, as I pointed out above what classes as normal living ( ie my neighbours coughing) is hardly a stat nuisance.
Once thedownstairs neighbourgets told to do a diary....chances are thier complaints will tail off as seems to happen
:A:rotfl::beer: Well aint funny how its the little things in life that mean the most? Not where you live, the car you drive or the price tag on your clothes.
Theres no dollar sign on piece of mind
This Ive come to know...
So if you agree have a drink with me, raise your glasses for a toast :beer:0 -
Lynzpower, if you are an EHO perhaps you could advise me on this.
I'm really at my wits end with my neighbours.
They have two young children which appear to be jumping up and down on loose floorboards or stairs. I have asked them to either carpet the room or try to keep the children off anything which is likely to cause excessive noise as much as possible, but it is of little use.
My impression is that they just let them carry on regardless without any attempt at either discipline or to move them onto a quieter surface. However, when the children are downstairs they don't seem to create much noise at all so this suggests to me this is a solvable problem with some effort.
No doubt they are confident the children can be used as an excuse and everyone else will see it that way. They can also be incredibly noisy themselves stamping on the boards late at night so they really aren't bothered.
I have an identical house and can walk up and down as silently or as noisily as I intend to, and manage to control two energetic Labradors (which I occasionally look after) from causing a similar commotion.
Unfortunately if I complain further I may get another brick through the window. So wish I had caught him first time.0 -
This has been very helpful, internet searches seem to give very conflicting outcomes.
Thanks for everyone's comments, we have contacted them with a few ideas and spoken to our tenant, so hopefully we can have this sorted quickly so everyone is happy, but obviously there are limitations with such an old conversion.
We have spoken to the next door neighbours who report no noise disturbance, but might try a diary if all else fails.
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Lynzpower, if you are an EHO perhaps you could advise me on this.
I'm really at my wits end with my neighbours.
They have two young children which appear to be jumping up and down on loose floorboards or stairs. I have asked them to either carpet the room or try to keep the children off anything which is likely to cause excessive noise as much as possible, but it is of little use.
My impression is that they just let them carry on regardless without any attempt at either discipline or to move them onto a quieter surface. However, when the children are downstairs they don't seem to create much noise at all so this suggests to me this is a solvable problem with some effort.
No doubt they are confident the children can be used as an excuse and everyone else will see it that way. They can also be incredibly noisy themselves stamping on the boards late at night so they really aren't bothered.
I have an identical house and can walk up and down as silently or as noisily as I intend to, and manage to control two energetic Labradors (which I occasionally look after) from causing a similar commotion.
Unfortunately if I complain further I may get another brick through the window. So wish I had caught him first time.
Sorry to be so late to this:
I just dont know from what you have said, and I cant really have an opinion based on it.
I have to say, the question I would ask would be 'is this reasonable'.
Its not reasonable to try to keep a child still
Its not reasonable not to walk around your flat and sit still
Its not reasonable ( as per the op) that the cat is tied to a chair to prevent it walking about.
Its not reasonable to ask them to stop using the washing machine.
I guess it depends on the times, but even then...
I have neighbour noise too. It involves:
Children there on a weekly basis for an overnight when they run about, screaming laughing and so on. , groups of adults laughing and larking around loudly ( not a party, but at least 8 people) i hear their washing machine. The male plays playstation right above our bed till about 4am some days, the actual volume is not that high ( prob the same as we have our tv on) but the banging and shooting is really shocking and makes it hard to sleep. Sometimes we hear them getting the bikes downstairs to go to work in the early hours ( eg 3,am) Sometimes the shared door is being knocked on with relatives till the early hours as well .
None of this is nuisance, they are not doing anything that they know is actively going to be a problem, they are just living. So no doubt the flat is very poorly soundproofed, but I wont be making a complaint as they are just living their lives.
I would say it must be incredibly difficult to raise children in a flat with no garden or anything, so children can go pretty mad hemmed in a flat. But again I dont know their lives so I couldnt really comment.
Sorry if this was a useless post :cool::D:beer: Well aint funny how its the little things in life that mean the most? Not where you live, the car you drive or the price tag on your clothes.
Theres no dollar sign on piece of mind
This Ive come to know...
So if you agree have a drink with me, raise your glasses for a toast :beer:0 -
Lynzpower, if you are an EHO perhaps you could advise me on this.
I'm really at my wits end with my neighbours.
They have two young children which appear to be jumping up and down on loose floorboards or stairs. I have asked them to either carpet the room or try to keep the children off anything which is likely to cause excessive noise as much as possible, but it is of little use.
My impression is that they just let them carry on regardless without any attempt at either discipline or to move them onto a quieter surface. However, when the children are downstairs they don't seem to create much noise at all so this suggests to me this is a solvable problem with some effort.
No doubt they are confident the children can be used as an excuse and everyone else will see it that way. They can also be incredibly noisy themselves stamping on the boards late at night so they really aren't bothered.
I have an identical house and can walk up and down as silently or as noisily as I intend to, and manage to control two energetic Labradors (which I occasionally look after) from causing a similar commotion.
Unfortunately if I complain further I may get another brick through the window. So wish I had caught him first time.
Why did you buy/ rent a flat if you do not like hearing normal neighbour noise ie:
- Children being children
- Neighbours walking upstairs0 -
Why did you buy/ rent a flat if you do not like hearing normal neighbour noise ie:
- Children being children
- Neighbours walking upstairs
Most people who live in flats probably would prefer to live in houses but obviously it doesn't always work out that way.
Round my way you stand zero chance of getting a house to rent for anywhere near 1k a month. Most people rent flats because its what they can afford.:beer: Well aint funny how its the little things in life that mean the most? Not where you live, the car you drive or the price tag on your clothes.
Theres no dollar sign on piece of mind
This Ive come to know...
So if you agree have a drink with me, raise your glasses for a toast :beer:0 -
Most people who live in flats probably would prefer to live in houses but obviously it doesn't always work out that way.
Round my way you stand zero chance of getting a house to rent for anywhere near 1k a month. Most people rent flats because its what they can afford.
And then !!!! and moan to the council about neighbours 'walking around' - What a grim lot.
Alternatively just *move a bit further out*, crazy i know0 -
Why did you buy/ rent a flat if you do not like hearing normal neighbour noise ie:
- Children being children
- Neighbours walking upstairs
You obviously haven't read a thing I've typed and are ignorant of the situation.
I don't live in a flat, I live in a house, but the floorboards and stairboards seem to go straight across. How the hell do you know its normal neighbour noise? I've lived with plenty of decent neighbours before and this isn't normal!
Why the hell people can't have basic manners rather than playing loud music after midnight, $hitting on my lawn, slamming and jumping on everything at very opportunity, I have no idea. If I can be reasonable with two large dogs why can't they with two children and a dog, simply because they couldn't care less, they are as noisy as the children. I don't ask anything I can't achieve myself in the exact joined house.
I suppose some people are brought up to be considerate others are complete inconsiderate !!!!! who approve of this behaviour, perhaps like you? Your opinionated attitude without knowing anything really makes me sick to the stomach.0
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