Second baby on way, what will benefits be?

Graham_Devon

lottee wrote:

Well, Graham, could you please let me have the last word for starters...!

It's a shame it has got a little out of hand, but as I've said before, it's a very delicate subject IMO, & I honestly don't want to appear as a bully, but hey, I've been called worse! The world is full of people that don't agree on things, does that mean half the people in the world are bullying blinkered ******** ???!!! Thought not.

I'm thinking it will annoy you more if I have the last word, so in answer to your question, errrrrm no!

pipkin71

Originally Posted by skintio
I am a single parent with a four year old daughter.
I live in a council house and get my rent and coucil tax paid, although i do have council tax arrears from a previous time. IMy boyf is very helpfull with money and helps me out, and has persuaded me to try and sort this out.. so round off applause to him

If that isn't fraud then what is?

kelloggs36

Living apart but being part of a couple, as described by the OP is collusive separation - except for the fact that she never separated from him. Usually in this situation, a single parent claims to have split from her partner in order to claim benefits, but has never properly split - they live as the OP states she does, in separate accommodation but are in fact still a couple. In this situation the BA would look upon the situation as collusive separation. The ONLY difference here is that the OP has formed a relationship but lives in the same situation as those who have colluded to pretend to separate when they haven't. It is still fraud.

I had many cases where I investigated alleged single parents and have uncovered all sorts of situations. One of which had been living 'separately' from her partner for years and ended up with over 21k to pay back and a criminal record. She was extremely lucky not to have been sent down.

OP needs to be extremely careful. She could sort it out but wants the taxpayer to support her when there is a simple answer to her problem, but she refuses to hear it.

As for Black-Saturn - take it from a Fraud Investigator - this is fraud. She lives as though she is single, but has admitted she is not single as she has a very supportive partner who lives down the road. This partner is also the father of her unborn baby. She is clearly not single. As for benefits, the welfare state is not for this sort of situation - where a couple chose to live apart in order to obtain more benefits - it is for those who have no choice. She has a choice. Remove the benefits and her choice is made really. If she lives full-time with her partner and it doesn't work out and they split up (properly which means no support at all from the partner) then she would be eligible to claim as a single parent.

Graham_Devon

Excellent post again Kellogs. All we can do is advise, but coming from a fraud investigator, hopefully the OP won't shout abuse at you, but listen to you. If she doesnt, then she will get what's coming to her.

Non of us want that, which is why we have tried and tried to get the point across. But sadly, failed! Even joe bloggs like me can tell it's fraud, let alone a fraud investogator stating yes, it is fraud.

Labman_2

Just spent the last hour or so reading through all the posts in this thread. As the OP has a partner with whom she is having a child she is definitely not single & for her to be claiming benefits as such would be/is fraudulant. Also I didn't take anything anyone said as bullying....just someone losing their ability to listen when the discussion didn't go their way.

Dave_liverpool

skintio wrote:

Youre all a bunch of blinkered ******* in my opinion, i dont want to be stuck on benefits, accidents do happen and im fed up of you lot preaching at me. Im glad youre lifes are all so perfect so you can sit in judgement on me. At least im a nice person and have better things to do than sit and slate some one with out even trying to understand there situation! and for the last time i am not in a council house! Even if i was what is your prob with ppl that live in them!!! Shall we put them out on the street? So i am not taking up extra housing for ppl that really need it. end off. :mad: And im not comin gon here any more so write what you want, youre arguing with a 'nick name on a screen' now !

Well I hope this not how you handle an interview with BA or worse still Kelloggs colleagues.

To expect any less of a forum than plain speaking is naive. But some of the advice will go further if taken and used correctly will enrich your life, some of the advice posted will make others sit in court and pass judgement.

Its your call now.

welshcakes

I am hoping that the outcome of this is that at the very least, albeit in an unsettled state about the directness of advise given, skintio now at least has an idea of the implications of continuing her present claims. That is good in my view as it may just be that this heated thread will be responsible for altering some of her plans and potentially save her from prosecution .

I think that has to be classed as a worthwhile and positive result for the OP and for any others in a similar situation who read this thread all the way through.

Morglin

If the OP is getting ANY money from the father and not telling the DWP, then they would see that as fraud - and pursue the OP to make sure any overpayment was reimbursed to the DWP.

If the father is staying at the home regularly, then the DWP can view that as "effective" co-habitation, and treat them as a couple - they are well used to couples "living apart" to maximise their benefits..

I must be getting old - I wonder what happened to two parents living together happily to provide stability and love for their offspring, without worrying about losing some of their benefits.:mad: :mad: - it was known as parental responsibility.:eek: :eek:

Supporting your own children seems to be a dying art.

I know things go wrong unexpectedly and couples split, and in these cases then the welfare state should help, but I really resent my taxes going to support couples like the OP, who get on really well, knocking out children, refusing to live together in case it hits them financially, and then expecting us (the taxpayers) to pick up the tab and support them and their children.

I really wish the government would clamp down on these situations, instead of targeting the old and disabled to save money.:mad:

Lin

Graham_Devon

welshcakes wrote:

I am hoping that the outcome of this is that at the very least, albeit in an unsettled state about the directness of advise given, skintio now at least has an idea of the implications of continuing her present claims. That is good in my view as it may just be that this heated thread will be responsible for altering some of her plans and potentially save her from prosecution .

I think that has to be classed as a worthwhile and positive result for the OP and for any others in a similar situation who read this thread all the way through.

You'd hope, but from her last outburst and say on the subject, I very very much doubt it sadly. She'll either get away with it or be caught and punished. Either way, she has the choice and I think we all know which she's going to take. The unwillingness to accept or digest any comments which went against what she wanted to hear pretty much says it all for me.

Chrysalis

skintio wrote:

Youre all a bunch of blinkered ******* in my opinion, i dont want to be stuck on benefits, accidents do happen and im fed up of you lot preaching at me. Im glad youre lifes are all so perfect so you can sit in judgement on me. At least im a nice person and have better things to do than sit and slate some one with out even trying to understand there situation! and for the last time i am not in a council house! Even if i was what is your prob with ppl that live in them!!! Shall we put them out on the street? So i am not taking up extra housing for ppl that really need it. end off. :mad: And im not comin gon here any more so write what you want, youre arguing with a 'nick name on a screen' now !

I was never meant to attack you, but rather suggesting you should bite the bullet and move in with the soon to be father of your new child. You may initially lose out financially but he should take the some of the living costs you currently fully pay for and make up for, but the proper reward will be that you have companionship and your child has both parents. The thing is you do have the choice, unless he is telling you its not going to happen.