Induction day dismissal

DVardysShadow

Somewhat crazy. There is no compulsion on anyone to have a passport. The employer should have gone for the next available ID document.

As she had started, I would say she is entitled to her pay for the day plus her notice pay. This might be a better platform on which to take this to tribunal. But as head office are offering to meet and discuss, this option should be taken first of all. Take along a valid birth certificate, which should serve as proof of right to work. And don't go in mouthing off - go in to listen

heretolearn_2

IT was your daughter's responsibility to provide proof of right to work in the UK. I know they have taken a hard line here not giving her the chance to sort it out, but it still doesn't take away that it was down to your daughter. They presumably gave them a list of what they needed to bring and it said 'current passport'?

Employers of British born citizens can only accept two things for ID

passport - I don't believe there is a legal requirement for it to be in date but with such a young girl if it is out of date then the photo etc are going to be pretty useless for ID purposes (from when she was 6?) so maybe they are being stricter here? Or maybe it's their policy that it must be current.

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Birth certificate and official proof of NI number.

Her mum working there is not legally acceptable. Employers get big fat fines for not having the right paperwork in place and frankly there are 100s of 16 year olds who want that job, so they aren't going to take any risks just to get yours.

Can she get her ID together and apply again?

That's if your wife hasn't stymied her chances by leaving in a strop.

t0rt0ise

heretolearn wrote: »

They presumably gave them a list of what they needed to bring and it said 'current passport'?

You don't know that at all. They may well have not been told that but you assume it so that you can berate them for being so stupid.

passport - I don't believe there is a legal requirement for it to be in date but with such a young girl if it is out of date then the photo etc are going to be pretty useless for ID purposes (from when she was 6?) so maybe they are being stricter here? Or maybe it's their policy that it must be current.

Children's passports are only valid for 5 years so it's easy for them to run out without the parent realising as it runs out so much earlier than their own.

Her mum working there is not legally acceptable. Employers get big fat fines for not having the right paperwork in place and frankly there are 100s of 16 year olds who want that job, so they aren't going to take any risks just to get yours.

Indeed but hardly a risk asking her to bring in her birth certificate tomorrow is it? I recently started a new job and didn't have to show my papers until two days into the induction. I'm sure if I had forgotten something I'd have been asked to bring it in next day. This employer is totally unreasonable.

If it were me I'd go to the meeting as offered and very calmly say that I am disappointed in the way the daughter has been treated. If they aren't acceptably contrite at the meeting I might hint that the local paper might be interested in the story.

Hammyman

t0rt0ise wrote: »

Indeed but hardly a risk asking her to bring in her birth certificate tomorrow is it? I recently started a new job and didn't have to show my papers until two days into the induction. I'm sure if I had forgotten something I'd have been asked to bring it in next day. This employer is totally unreasonable.

If it were me I'd go to the meeting as offered and very calmly say that I am disappointed in the way the daughter has been treated. If they aren't acceptably contrite at the meeting I might hint that the local paper might be interested in the story.

If the employer states that you must bring valid ID in on the first day of your induction and you don't, it proves you are incapable of following a simple instruction. With plenty of people looking for jobs who can do what they're told, why should they bother with someone who can't do such a simple thing?

I know someone who has a business who will bin typed applications when she has put "written applications" in the advert because if they can't follow such a simple instruction what are they going to be like as employees when asked to do something remotely complicated?

This is the reality of the employment market when there are 2.5 million unemployed.

thistledome

OP, good luck with your meeting. As has already been said, it's a shame your Wife left as it makes a bad impression on an Employer. Hopefully your Daughter will be told that she can re-apply when she gets her passport renewed, but apart from that I'm not sure what you expect them to do.

Hammyman, written applications can mean that telephone applications will not be accepted. Your friend should say hand-written applications if she doesn't want them typed.

smileylondongal

There are two reasons employers normally ask for a passport - (well three if you think of how difficult it is to fake one versus other documentation!) - namely it contains the photo as well as absolute proof of a person's eligibility to work in the UK. As someone said earlier, employers can not only get fined but the recruiter can actually be imprisoned for taking on staff that are not legit in this way.

I would do as someone suggested - get the passport renewed, call them and see what they say.

hcb42

Hammyman wrote: »

I know someone who has a business who will bin typed applications when she has put "written applications" in the advert because if they can't follow such a simple instruction what are they going to be like as employees when asked to do something remotely complicated?

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with respect, this employer needs to move with the times as well! Handwritten applications ??!! I know handwritten letter was the norm along with a typewritten application when I left school but that was almost 30 years ago!!!

LittleVoice

thistledome wrote: »

Hammyman, written applications can mean that telephone applications will not be accepted. Your friend should say hand-written applications if she doesn't want them typed.

Agreed. Typewritten is written as much as hand-written is written. Looks like a stupid recruiter who doesn't know how to give instructions.

LittleVoice

Some posters are saying that the daughter should have checked she was taking the right documentation to the induction day. The OP didn't say that it was on the induction day that the paperwork was presented but the day it was rejected. It was asked why this hadn't been picked up at the interview stage which was a different day. Induction should be the beginning of work, not part of the interview.

Whilst she might be able to claim for a day's pay, I doubt that she could claim notice pay as, unless she has written particulars specifying longer notice, she would not be entitled to any.

heretolearn_2

"You don't know that at all. They may well have not been told that but you assume it so that you can berate them for being so stupid."

Just to point out that I did not berate anyone nor call them stupid and would never be so nasty to a 16 year old making a simple mistake. I only pointed out that she must have been told what documents to take - and it isn't a huge assumption. If she hadn't been told to take the documents, she wouldn't have taken her passport again, would she...
I agreed the company was taking a hard line here and suggested she renew her passport and apply again.

*sigh*