rottweiler attack - police useless........

Fuzzy_Duck

2sides2everystory wrote: »

You know a few people that have rotties??? Or you know of such people?

I don't. Most people don't.

Irrespective of whether they appear on a legally recognised list, rottweilers are clearly dangerous animals and anyone that owns one clearly needs their head testing.

I know of a few humans that are a bloody nuisance and cause anti-social disturbances on a frequent basis in my area. The police are pretty impotent in dealing with them. Thesedays I fear for my own safety if I am in their presence, especially after dark.

I understand there are people that know these same individuals who will say they are some of the friendliest, softest types you could ever meet.

Yeah right.

That dog that attacked magoogy's friend's little girl should by now be dead.

The police are not fit for purpose right now, so it isn't. Neighbours must now live in fear of the bloody thing. Bit of a common problem.

I hope we get a decent new Commissioner very soon.

Sorry, but that is utter nonsense. The fact we brand several breeds of dog dangerous is ludicrous and downright evil in my opinion. (Bet you didn't know pugs are listed as a dangerous dog in other countries!) Yes, we're talking large dogs with powerful jaws, that alone does not make them dangerous. There are people that happily own these dogs that aren't chavs, because they understand that rottweilers are often big softies (and yes, I know people with rottweilers as well- in fact I know people who had one as their family pet, a lovely dog who only ever wanted her tummy rubbed).

A dog owner should be responsible and capable of controlling their dog, whatever the breed. In reality large dog attacks are relatively rare, but they make a much better story than a typically bitey dashund going for someone. Just because a dog is small doesn't make it any less dangerous if it goes for a small child or someone's face, but it's far easier to demonise larger breeds.

I really do feel there are a lot of misinformed views on this thread- don't believe everything the Daily Mail tells you!

Hermione_Granger

No one is saying that there is anything wrong with the child being kept out of the garden on a short term basis.

But that seems to be exactly what was stated earlier.

fluffnutter wrote: »

There's a lot wrong with that. It's not the little girl that needs close supervision, it's the dog. Why should the victim of a crime have to change his or her behaviour rather than the perpetrator?

Nothing about short term changes, simply why should the child have to change their behaviour.

It's a circular argument. Knowing 'full well' she's in danger can only happen after the attack.

Do you mean the attack that has already happened.
Surely this is proof enough that the child could be in danger if playing in the garden again.

My friend was bitten badly by a dog whilst running. Perhaps he shouldn't go out running. My sister-in-law was bitten whilst hand-delivering a letter

Both adults who could apply a bit of common sense and advance planning to a situation. Not something that a young child may be able to do.

Rain_is_Insane

I own the dopiest, softest boxer in the world, but there is one living a few doors down from me who is completely out of control.

It does partly depend on the environment the dog was brought up in, but on saying that, some people who commit crimes have led an idylic life and just snapped. Any animal is capable of doing the same.

If my dog turned though, I would have no hesitation in accepting the consequences.

magoogy

thank you so much for your help - to update you;

my friend is now talking to a local councillor who is campaigning about this matter and someone at the SAFE project - she did go to the hospital as her little girl was bleeding and obviously she was worried. She didnt get any pictures at the time but, has since taken some. The police went next door to talk to the neighbours at the time of the incident and came back and said he was satisfied it was because the little girl was making a lot of noise and it wouldnt happen again. He did leave her a statement which i assume has a crime number on? - i havent actually been to visit her yet but have chatted to her via text and have sent your suggestions to her.

As for the fencing - having been many of times to their house i was, along with them, of the opinion it was high enough but, obviously it wasnt. The fence was getting re-inforced today and highered - infact her husband said he wanted to put barbed wire at the top too but, not sure whether he will.

Im not a big lover of dogs myself but do know that it isnt the breed of dog which is the main factor in the problem - its where owners dont provide adequate training and ensure their dog is under control at all times. I dont know her neighbours as they have only been in that house for a few weeks but, they are a young couple with 2 kids and 2 other dogs along with this one - they are quite loud and seem to spend their life in the local shops buying booze/fags and scratch cards and their nights playing loud music and arguing - there is usually a houseful when i go visiting my friend.

pulliptears

magoogy wrote: »

thank you so much for your help - to update you;

my friend is now talking to a local councillor who is campaigning about this matter and someone at the SAFE project - she did go to the hospital as her little girl was bleeding and obviously she was worried. She didnt get any pictures at the time but, has since taken some. The police went next door to talk to the neighbours at the time of the incident and came back and said he was satisfied it was because the little girl was making a lot of noise and it wouldnt happen again. He did leave her a statement which i assume has a crime number on? - i havent actually been to visit her yet but have chatted to her via text and have sent your suggestions to her.

As for the fencing - having been many of times to their house i was, along with them, of the opinion it was high enough but, obviously it wasnt. The fence was getting re-inforced today and highered - infact her husband said he wanted to put barbed wire at the top too but, not sure whether he will.

Im not a big lover of dogs myself but do know that it isnt the breed of dog which is the main factor in the problem - its where owners dont provide adequate training and ensure their dog is under control at all times. I dont know her neighbours as they have only been in that house for a few weeks but, they are a young couple with 2 kids and 2 other dogs along with this one - they are quite loud and seem to spend their life in the local shops buying booze/fags and scratch cards and their nights playing loud music and arguing - there is usually a houseful when i go visiting my friend.

Just as an aside, your friends need to be aware that unless the fence is theirs they cannot by law attach anything to the fence. That really does mean anything, including letting plants climb up it.

Have a good look at the deeds and establish who's fence this is, if it is theirs and was erected by them then they can go up to 6ft 6in in height without needing to apply for planning permission.

This site has a wealth of information. Make sure your friends act within the law as the neighbours dont seem like the type to make life easy:
http://www.gardenlaw.co.uk/

magoogy

thank you pupit tears........i will make sure she knows that - i remember that site from yonks ago and forgot about it so am going to browse it myself too thanks......x

LisaB85

This breed specific legislation annoys me so much! It is very narrow minded to think all rotties are bad dogs, it is the media who portray them as bad dogs and those who are irresponsible owners.

The media isn't interested in the Yorkshire terrier who bit a child, rotties are protective dogs so maybe all the screaming made him feel threatened?

Any dog can bite, and I'm afraid in a world where puppy farms and backyard breeding are big business there are going to be more and more dogs with bad parenting and ending up with even worse owners.

http://rottweilerownerstrust.co.uk/pat-dogs.php

I used to own a Dobermann and she was soft as !!!!.

pulliptears

LisaB85 wrote: »

I used to own a Dobermann and she was soft as !!!!.

When I was about 8 my Aunt (not the one with the poodle!) rescued a Doby called Zeus. She'd been appallingly treated, kicked, beaten and starved and as a result would nibble her skin (something she did until the day she died).

Zeus was changed to Lucy to make her sound a little less aggressive and she turned into the most beautiful dog. She was so very loving despite all she'd been through. In the years my Aunt owned her I never saw her growl, she rarely barked and she was a joy to be with.

One evening they were burgled while Lucy was at home, she must have just lay there and let them get on with it!

donnap83

pulliptears wrote: »

When I was about 8 my Aunt (not the one with the poodle!) rescued a Doby called Zeus. She'd been appallingly treated, kicked, beaten and starved and as a result would nibble her skin (something she did until the day she died).

Zeus was changed to Lucy to make her sound a little less aggressive and she turned into the most beautiful dog. She was so very loving despite all she'd been through. In the years my Aunt owned her I never saw her growl, she rarely barked and she was a joy to be with.

One evening they were burgled while Lucy was at home, she must have just lay there and let them get on with it!

I think dobermans can be the most beautiful dogs and extremely affectionate. I'd love to own one, but unfortunately i dont think I have enough room in the house for one to be comfortable and happy.

I think the temperament of the dog is entirely to do with the owners and how the dog is handled and treated.

MistaSooperAngry

As well as Vax's comment, put in a written complaint to the police. Copy it to your local MP. I was being terrorised by local yobs and the police did nothing. Within 3 days of submitting my letter which placed total responsibility on any future events (including any spur of the moment self defense I may be forced into taking) on them exclusively, they arrived, tracked down and spoke to the yobs and now those creeps don't even walk past my house.

It sounds to me as if someone in the police may be friends with the dog owner. If that's the case, they may be able to 'contain' the issue at their level, but if it arrives in writing, goes through a different channel.

Good luck. Don't forget that the Police and MPs are our servants. We pay their wages.