Christening/ baptism should I or shouldn't i?

poet123

Mupette wrote: »

yes it maybe is because i am not used to 'religious' language, but saying that i don't like the wording used, lot's of sin's... as far as that goes there is no one on this planet who is pure..

also i do find catholic church quite condesending... they want your money, they want you to breed so that your offspring will also give money, yet the have 'sinned' quite a lot.. yet ignore what their own get up to.

Understand this isnt a dig at those that are Catholic/or which ever religeon anyone chooses, again sorry if i have offended.

No offence taken. My point was that you seemed to feel upset on behalf of your MIL that she be described as a sinner, when the reality is she would have expected and wanted nothing less. The point is as you say no one is "pure" or as the church says "free from sin". The term sin is just what is used, in the same way you used the term pure.

In terms of what the church has covered up, there is no excuse for it, and all those involved in that in whatever way should be pursued and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. In addition to their understanding that they will pay for it in the next world.

poet123

Person_one wrote: »

Yeah, I do understand it, I stil think its appalling.

Which is your prerogative, presumably the child's parents don't share that view, or see it as you seem to do as a "personal" slight on the child rather than a historical belief which has been passed down the centuries and is incorporated into the rite of baptism.

margaretclare

poet123 wrote: »

No offence taken. My point was that you seemed to feel upset on behalf of your MIL that she be described as a sinner, when the reality is she would have expected and wanted nothing less. The point is as you say no one is "pure" or as the church says "free from sin". The term sin is just what is used, in the same way you used the term pure.

It's a quotation from St Paul 'All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God'.

When we go to church (no, not Catholics, any church) there is a recognition that we have all sinned and we ask for forgiveness from God. What we have done and what we have failed to do. It's impossible to go through a week, from one Sunday church to the next, without falling into these categories. So, MIL had she been alive, would have been grateful that someone had asked for forgiveness for her sins.

Lotus-eater

Person_one wrote: »

Its glans, no D. A gland is something different.

Sorry DR Person_one, forgot you had medical training. Maybe you could do a bit better and answer the rest also?

Person_one

poet123 wrote: »

Which is your prerogative, presumably the child's parents don't share that view, or see it as you seem to do as a "personal" slight on the child rather than a historical belief which has been passed down the centuries and is incorporated into the rite of baptism.

The parents just wanted a party.

Person_one

Lotus-eater wrote: »

Sorry DR Person_one, forgot you had medical training. Maybe you could do a bit better and answer the rest also?

No point, you're a bit weird on the subject.

(I do have medical training actually!)

Lotus-eater

Person_one wrote: »

No point, you're a bit weird on the subject.

(I do have medical training actually!)

I'm being a bit weird :rotfl:if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.

Still, at least all your facts have been outed as opinions and your opinions been shown for what they are and what type of person (one) they are from.

I wish you luck with your research when talking to circumcised males.

ps, I wouldn't talk about it as being a "mutilation" when you are talking to them.

lostinrates

OK, so I have now spoken to my dad. He says it was done as standard when he was born for hygeine reasons. He is not upset he was circumcised. He says he is glad he was circumcised and probably WOULD have opted for it as an adult male....my dad has an OCD thing about personal cleanliness and this could be relevant! I relayed this to my dh and he confirmed he is glad he was done as a child, but also that he's just not sure what he would have done had he not been. He reiterated what we discussed when we were still hoping for a baby, that he felt it would have been odder for him not to be circumcised when his male family all were. Not that they compare and contrast, but we are a ''reasonably'' open family with nudity, probably greater than average.



Its lead to a lot of really interesting theoretical discussion in my household, but I'm not sure if it helps the OP at all!!!

Person_one

If its so great and desirable, why aren't uncircumcised men doing it in droves?

janninew

Person_one wrote: »

If its so great and desirable, why aren't uncircumcised men doing it in droves?

As a women I think it looks so much better, just neater! Men seem to be very funny about their bits though, they don't want a Doctor fiddling around with them, I asked my hubby if he would ever have the snip, the look of horror on his face said it all. He said 'I'm not having anybody interfering with my privates!'