Council evictions begin

[Deleted User]

With regards to the rioters or more accurately the looters; aside from those involved in the first riot, were I think there was some genuine anger, I suspect most were young people from backgrounds where few work and few care about their environment. This attitude seems to be on the increase and I suspect the reason is that many of these people are born to parents for whom a big incentive to have children is financial because of our benefits system. The children are secondary to the selfish 'needs' of their parents and have few good role models, consequently no work ethic or drive. Once they get past puberty their attitudes are more or less set. These people will be a problem for society for a long time.

Currently too many influential groups benefit from the situation as it stands and so I doubt there will be any genuine long term political will to change things.

Any solution would have to force some economic reality on these people, remove incentives to breed for money, and tackle problems with social mobility and the distribution of wealth in the UK so that they have a viable alternative. Like I said it will probably never happen.

StevieJ

pqrdef wrote: »

Cameron isn't really interested, he's playing that cards that will play well in the shires. I suspect he sees all this as a chance to break up the coalition and win a majority on a tough-on-crime platform.

If he claims credit for the tough sentences he will be on dodgy constitutional ground.

The sentencing advice from Her Majesty's Courts and Tribunals Service came to light after the chair of Camberwell Green magistrates court, Novello Noades, claimed that the court had been given a government "directive" that anyone involved in the rioting be given a custodial sentence. She later retracted her statement and said she was mortified to have used the term "directive".

I bet she wasn't the only one

neverdespairgirl

My Dad said they shut the DJ up quick, but he reckons she was right the first time.

pqrdef

[quote=[Deleted User];46261663]I suspect most were young people from backgrounds where few work and few care about their environment. This attitude seems to be on the increase and I suspect the reason is that many of these people are born to parents for whom a big incentive to have children is financial because of our benefits system.[/QUOTE]
Is there any evidence that this financial incentive works? E.g. do people on benefiits have larger families?

Even supposing that to be true, I don't see how you're making the link with rioting.

ILW

People on benefits do tend to have families younger. Cannot track down the report at the moment though.

pqrdef

ILW wrote: »

People on benefits do tend to have families younger.

No surprise there. The rosier a girl's career prospects at 16, the more likely she is to put off having kids. A girl who leaves school at 16 with no job and no prospects has nothing to wait for.

But the problem here isn't the urge to breed, it's the lack of anything better to do.

Everything brings me back to the view that the provision of jobs for all needs to be treated as a social function, not just left to the free market. There is nothing to suggest that the economy left to itself will ever again generate enough demand for labour to take up all the slack. On the contrary, it's likely to continue its present trend of concentrating more money in the hands of fewer people.

We aren't far off the day when your trolley full of shopping will be scanned automatically and your macburger will come from a machine. Then what will people do.

sjaypink

pqrdef wrote: »

We aren't far off the day when your trolley full of shopping will be scanned automatically and your macburger will come from a machine. Then what will people do.

It is scary. Most days I stop at the supermarket and most days I walk out having not spoke to, or had eye contact with, another person. I do always think I should use the normal checkouts rather than the scanner - keeping peoples jobs, keeping a connection with others... but laziness or avoidance seems to take over .

Same with internet shopping & banking. I honestly cannot remember the last time I went into the town. The ONLY reminder that has been [STRIKE]pinned on my corkboard[/STRIKE] on my phone's reminder / diary (!) for months now that I need to go into town for is to get another key cut. If I put it off for long enough the supermarket will probably do that too. On a scanner system :cool:

I do think people are happier when they are busy (most of the time). Be it either mind engaging work or old fashioned hard graft. Worringly that, as you say, that this seems to be disappearing very fast...

sjaypink

By the way, back to the OP - I've tried searching for an update on this particular family / eviction, but nothing jumps out at me - does anyone know - are they still being evicted?

vivatifosi

sjaypink wrote: »

By the way, back to the OP - I've tried searching for an update on this particular family / eviction, but nothing jumps out at me - does anyone know - are they still being evicted?

This is the most recent I can find:

http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/wandsworthnews/9206382.Eviction_protest_staged_outside_council_leader_s_home/

sjaypink

Thanks Viva. Interesting comments section too.