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Council evictions begin
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There was a very good article in yesterday's Guardian about what could be done, building on the reduction in gangs in Glasgow.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/aug/19/glasgow-campaigner-riots-crackdown-call
Essentially it is a strategy to wear the gangs down in stages and make their lives uncomfortable. It was used successfully in Glasgow, where they took the original research from Boston USA.Please stay safe in the sun and learn the A-E of melanoma: A = asymmetry, B = irregular borders, C= different colours, D= diameter, larger than 6mm, E = evolving, is your mole changing? Most moles are not cancerous, any doubts, please check next time you visit your GP.
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Is there definite evidence of a connection between riots and gangs?"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0
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How is evicting culprits and their families from their council homes going to help “fix broken Britain”? Does anyone have ideas for “restorative” measures—like requiring criminals to meet their victims and make good the harm they have caused?
However long custodial sentences will be (at taxpayers expense), at some point these people will be released back into society, at which point some of these offenders will have no chance or wish to be part of society.
What about a cheap form of restorative justice?
Two big policemen hold the criminal down, whilst the victim is given a fixed amount of time (depending on the severity of the offence) with a rubber hose or other tool of choice to do what they wish. If this means that the miscreant is then incapable of breeding in the future even better.0 -
Is there definite evidence of a connection between riots and gangs?
In some cases yes, in others no. The whole rioting situation is more complex than that. The police are suggesting that Croydon was gang related. The link below gives some info on that:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8713298/London-riots-were-orchestrated-by-outsiders.htmlPlease stay safe in the sun and learn the A-E of melanoma: A = asymmetry, B = irregular borders, C= different colours, D= diameter, larger than 6mm, E = evolving, is your mole changing? Most moles are not cancerous, any doubts, please check next time you visit your GP.
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Well if there's a riot on a gang's turf, I don't suppose the gang members are going to stay out of it. But the point of a gang is to wield power, so fomenting chaos and provoking a backlash aren't really in its interests."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0
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18-year-old accused of torching Miss Selfridge, although he had an alibi, finally released after 9 days in custody when the police finally accept they've got the wrong man.
Makes you wonder how the police catch anyone when they haven't got a full facial image of the villain, poor guy had his flat burnt down as well. I have to admit I thought it was impossible that that could have the wrong guy there :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bv3qJI7zw4'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Well if there's a riot on a gang's turf, I don't suppose the gang members are going to stay out of it. But the point of a gang is to wield power, so fomenting chaos and provoking a backlash aren't really in its interests.
Did you read the article? It suggests that there is more to it than that (link as previous):
Across London, The Sunday Telegraph has established, about three-quarters of the accused live in such areas and police have said that at least a quarter of those charged have known gang links.
Croydon has a serious gang problem, with three main rival youth gangs...
...BlackBerry messages intercepted by police show that many gangs declared a truce during the period of the riots, allowing rivals to circulate freely in each other's areas.
This is backed up by an article in a local London paper:
He said: "There has been gang war going on in Waltham Forest. Each postcode gang is at war with another. There’s evidence that they had a truce during the riots, and were swapping information with each other."
“I was talking to my borough commander (Chief Supt Steve Wisbey) in Waltham Forest and he said there was very good evidence that they moved around a lot and they were co-ordinating locations and some of the social media network.”
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/wfnews/9203426.WALTHAM_FOREST___Gangs_truce__during_riots/Please stay safe in the sun and learn the A-E of melanoma: A = asymmetry, B = irregular borders, C= different colours, D= diameter, larger than 6mm, E = evolving, is your mole changing? Most moles are not cancerous, any doubts, please check next time you visit your GP.
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Yes. But having established the ages and addresses of the rioters, you're likely to get a correlation with any other attribute that correlates with the same ages and addresses - colour, education, family background, taste in music, use of slang, income level, favourite football team, whatever.vivatifosi wrote: »Did you read the article?
Question is, if the gangs as such didn't exist as such, would the same people have been out rioting? I don't see much to say the answer is no.
Cameron isn't really interested, he's playing that cards that will play well in the shires. I suspect he sees all this as a chance to break up the coalition and win a majority on a tough-on-crime platform."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »Combine this with reports now that we have less than 1200 vacant cells. Where will we put all these people? Or do we let other criminals go free? Or do we get cynical & buy shares in group 4 and/or construction companies?
There are about 1,200 place available in the normal system.
There are also a few held in reserve (about 2,000), and some room for adding beds to cells, increasing 2 to 3, for example....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
Shakethedisease wrote: »I also think you should let people get back to the topic in hand ( if we haven't killed it off by now ).:)
I'll refrain from airing my views on people like you if you refrain from provocative remarks such as 'You're really unashamed about your trolling.' blah, blah, blah.0
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