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Universal credit = more riots.

TedButler
TedButler Posts: 61 Forumite
edited 11 August 2011 at 6:37AM in Debate House Prices & the Economy
The shooting may have been a spark for the North London riots, but the reason they have spread is anger by the lower classes, because of all the cuts.

If the cuts go ahead next year for housing benefit and total benefits per household are capped at no more than 500 per week to include everything rent, council tax and everything, then imagine the anger and riots that will be seen on the streets on London then.


Saying that if there is this mass Exodus out of London to cheaper areas, it may be easier to control the rioters. Let them smash up their ghetto's, it will just be an even worse place to live.
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  • chris_m
    chris_m Posts: 8,250 Forumite
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    You are Harriet Harperson and I claim my £5 ;-)
  • £500 a week is £26000 a year and no tax or ni to deduct either, I work bloody hard for a measerly £12000 a year and that's before tax and ni, our total household income is around £17000, we get very little help from the state, it makes me sick, no wonder these scum want to keep poping out ferral sprogs, ok the job market is tough but there are jobs out there if you try hard enough, problem is these people don't want to try and many are just un-employable anyway due to their attitude and lack of respect, for some of them the kindest thing would have been to put them down at birth.
    I hate football and do wish people wouldn't keep talking about it like it's the most important thing in the world
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    TedButler wrote: »
    but the reason they have spread is anger by the lower classes, because of all the cuts.

    Don't believe too much of the media hype. The people rioting won't even have been affected by the cuts.

    I'm going to speak as I see it, and expect to get shot down in flames for speaking openly, but here goes...

    - The type of people rioting, mostly would not be going to uni.
    - They don't work, so don't have a job to lose
    - They WANT less police, so are not effected by police cuts.
    - They are seeing investment in their area due to the olympics (mainly London).

    So what cuts are these people rioting actually be effected by?

    Please, don't buy into the political wranglings. These people need to be seen as what they are. Most of them feed off society, and don't give anything back. Hence they can spend the nights vandalising the city, the morning drinking, and the afternoons sleeping. They have no jobs / uni / school to go to.

    Controversial, but I don't really care, had enough of the hugs brigade.
  • kabayiri
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    Controversial, but I don't really care, had enough of the hugs brigade.
    But Graham, the hugs brigade have made fortunes over the last few decades selling their magically whispered solutions to the power makers.

    I'm sick of these people adding commentary in the media, peddling out the same old claptrap about education, and sense of community etc.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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    These riots had nothing to do with politics, cuts, the economy, or any other cause, and everything to do with criminal looting.

    They spread because the little scumbags saw they could get away with it as the police response was shockingly pathetic.

    Oh, and criminals appeared from all classes, not just those on benefits.
    The 19–year–old is a high–flying pupil who attended St Olave's Grammar School – the fourth best performing state school in the country.

    She is now reading English and Italian at the University of Exeter.

    However, Miss Johnson now stands accused, along with two others, in connection with the alleged theft of £5,000 of goods from the Stonelake Retail Park in Charlton, south London
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8694655/UK-riots-grammar-school-girl-is-accused-of-theft.html
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  • jojo1964
    jojo1964 Posts: 902 Forumite
    edited 11 August 2011 at 9:20AM
    Amongst those arrested. Schoolteacher, Hairdresser, university graduate, fork lift truck driver and one about to join the army.

    Id love to see the list updated as more court cases are heard, just to see how many are "socially deprived"

    Youth worker is another
    Postman
    Lifeguard
    Charity worker
    Scaffolder
    Millionaires daughter

    I love the pictures of the 11 year old appearing in court clutching a mobile phone in each hand, whilst his mother, dressed in cut off jeans, trainers and pink t-shirt escorts him.
    Thankyou Sir Alex for 26 years
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    Of course they were not ALL on benefits, which is why I was careful to say most at every point of the description.

    But most, will be.
  • These aren't riots, in a certain sense of the word. I dont see the crowd expressing themselves (violently) due to cuts/government policy/whatever. Its greed fuelled looting. As soon as looting became difficult, with a greater police presence, the violence subsided.

    Its not related to the shooting, as why has the violence spread to other major cities? A couple of people in a city, with those kind of morals will mug someone. Get a few hundred of those people together and this is the result. Once it begins more people will jump on the bandwagon, including those of "better social standing" but still, questionable morals, who see the oppurtunity to basically have something for nothing.
    My drinking club has a rugby problem
  • MacMickster
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    TedButler wrote: »
    If the cuts go ahead next year for housing benefit and total benefits per household are capped at no more than 500 per week to include everything rent, council tax and everything, then imagine the anger and riots that will be seen on the streets on London then.
    Benefits of £26,000 per annum with no tax or national insurance to pay? This is equivalent to a wage of around £35,000 - not too far short of having to pay higher rate tax.

    There should be riots if benefits are not reduced to a lower level than this. Benefits are meant to be a safety net for those who are unable (either temporarily or permanently) to go out and work for a living. They should not provide anyone with a better standard of living than the majority who pay taxes to fund those benefits.
    "When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
  • jojo1964
    jojo1964 Posts: 902 Forumite
    Glad to see that the groups of residents out patrolling their own streets are being given some praise for for reducing the riots.
    Thankyou Sir Alex for 26 years
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