What ATOS HCP thinks of claimants

wild666

An ATOS HCP has being caught out by sick & disabled people referring to the people she assesses as DOWN & OUTS there has being a lot of emails flying about to ministers, the DWP, ATOS & the NMC from people who read her page while it was available for all to see on facebook. Within hours of the emails starting someone had the page pulled or the HCP was informed so she could remove the facebook page herself. The downside, for the HCP & ATOS, is that all the evidence was collected before anyone was informed.

Then within 72 hours approx of this HCP another ATOS employee, who didn't exactly give his position in the ATOS was found to be referring to sick and disabled as PARASITIC W4NKERS. he later hid his facebook page so posts can only be read by friends.
You can judge for yourself her comments here but be prepared to be shocked.

If there are 2 found so quickly what chance of getting a fair assessment do we have? IMO NONE

Anubis_2

Then within 72 hours approx of this HCP another ATOS employee, who didn't exactly give his position in the ATOS was found to be referring to sick and disabled as PARASITIC W4NKERS. he later hid his facebook page so posts can only be read by friends. You can judge for yourself her comments here but be prepared to be shocked.

Disgusting! Judging by some attitudes on here also, it would not surprise me if said HCP posts on MSE!

Reading the SS now - this is intolerable. I wonder how she would feel if she were suddenly to become a victim of disability? I am saving the SS btw, because it is likely the site will have to remove the SS.

Seems all she is interested in is the money too "Typical, I am here to make some money and the systems are down"

I hope she has to go and claim JS with what she deems as "down and outs" IF Atos reprimand her.

She is obviously forgetting that it is because of such "down and outs" that she has a paid job!
I know who I am forwarding this lot to, thanks for posting!

Richie-from-the-Boro

ATOS medical standards ref Larry Newman :

12 inconsistencies in the report by the Atos assesser. It said her husband had been unaccompanied. "I was with him, although in his medical report they claimed that I was in the waiting room," she says. The report says that Mr Newman's pulse was fine, that he had no scars on his chest and that he managed to climb on to the examination bed without any problem. Mrs Newman says that her husband did not get on to the examination bed, that his pulse was not taken, and that the assesser did not look at his chest, otherwise he would have seen scars.

"He never touched Larry, he never took his pulse.There were endless inaccuracies," she added, describing the report as "make-believe".

They were both dismayed by the assesser's casual attitude. "At one stage, he took a phone call. We were trying not to listen, but it seemed to be a personal call," she says. "It went on for a few minutes. It wasn't very professional."

Measured against what they don't tell you :

Then there is what is never claimed :

Or there are the Job Centre Accounts

Even a Toff who talks evidence based facts & truths

So lets have a look at these factual evidence based truth's shall we:


- £5.2 billion fraud / and / or error costing each UK taxpayer approx £86pa

- actual [ evidenced ] £1 billion for DWP & £0.6 billion for HMRC costing each UK taxpayer approx £26pa

- official & customer error is £3.6 billion pounds costing each UK taxpayer approx £60pa

All benefit fraud is wrong, no one in this group will argue otherwise, but the tabloids who fed no doubt by ..~ GUESS Who ~ .. blame the high benefit bill on fraudsters when they account for less that 1% of the entire benefit bill.


So lets have a look at this entire benefits bill shall we:

- total benefit bill UK is £190 billion pounds costing each UK taxpayer approx £3166 per year.

- state pension / retirement benefits are approx 42% of the total benefit bill that's £79 billion costing each UK taxpayer approx £1316pa

Now 1% of the above figures is a lot of wonka going to the greedy fiddlers but its a tiny tiny minuscule fraction of the staggering amount going to waste and errors.

I can not even begin to calculate what government is spending on the mechanics of eradicating the figures attributed to so called fiddlers and error, but one thing for sure it will be even more ' private contractors ' like G4S

Anubis_2

All benefit fraud is wrong, no one in this group will argue otherwise, but the tabloids who fed no doubt by ..~ GUESS Who ~ .. blame the high benefit bill on fraudsters when they account for less that 1% of the entire benefit bill

Exactly - and yet some focus entirely on the benefit claimant, fuelled by the gutter press, instead of focussing their frustrations on where the tax money is really lost.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Anubis wrote: »

All benefit fraud is wrong, no one in this group will argue otherwise, but the tabloids who fed no doubt by ..~ GUESS Who ~ .. blame the high benefit bill on fraudsters when they account for less that 1% of the entire benefit bill

Exactly - and yet some focus entirely on the benefit claimant, fuelled by the gutter press, instead of focussing their frustrations on where the tax money is really lost.

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Anubis_2

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

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http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investigations/2010/11/more-evidence-that-atos-origin.html

Atos boss Keith Wilman is doing nicely. He was paid £626,000 last year and the firm's reward for its shocking performance has been a new £300m three-year Government contract announced last week.

cit_k

Not really suprising, you would have to be pretty dense to publicly write something like that on facebook, and I find that ATOS assessors
do seem to be lacking in common sense and ethics.
ps -
You know pro atos people state there are no targets for atos or their assessors to meet?

ATOS themselves say differently.

On what applicants should know about being a disability analyst:

"It's a new way to use your skills. You won't be actively treating people. Instead, you'll be in disability assessment, covering all clinical specialities. It's a target-driven culture and you'll need to meet medical standards

source

cit_k

and just found another atos page, where a physio therapist talks about assessing people with mental health conditions, because well, err obviously he is better placed than gp's, phsychiatrists, cpn's, mental health teams, and the claimaints own testimony, to determine the effects of a mental health condition.

Physios doing mental health assessments, disgraceful.

On advice to applicants:

"It's not the usual clinical role. You don't treat patients. Instead, you deal with disability assessments, including mental health cases."

Anubis_2

cit_k wrote: »

Not really suprising, you would have to be pretty dense to publicly write something like that on facebook, and I find that ATOS assessors
do seem to be lacking in common sense and ethics.
ps -
You know pro atos people state there are no targets for atos or their assessors to meet?

ATOS themselves say differently

source

Out of the gifthorses mouth, read the part about financial incentives

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1021686/How-doctors-like-
punished-exposing-sicknote-scroungers-whistleblower.html


This pair of Doctors then went on to set up a company to help claimants:

Former ATOS doctors face record costs for failed tribunal

19 June 2009

Two doctors who hit the headlines by claiming Atos was finding healthy claimants incapable of work are facing one of the largest costs orders ever, after having lost their unfair dismissal claim.

Dr James Branton and Dr Gail Young hit the headlines in May last year after taking Atos to an employment tribunal claiming they had been unfairly dismissed for wanting to stop more claimants from receiving benefits.

According to the doctors, claimants who complained about their medicals were much more likely to be found incapable of work than those who did not. When Atos failed to respond to their concerns Branton and Young wrote to Tony Blair and were suspended.!

Branton later wrote an article for the Daily Mail headlined ‘How doctors like me are punished for exposing sicknote scroungers, by a whistleblower’.! In it, he claimed that 70,000 people a year – about a fifth of all those examined by Atos - are wrongly found incapable of work and given benefits.

However, according to Jonathan Cohen of Littleton Chambers, who acted for Atos at the seven week long employment tribunal, the doctors were found in a 60 page judgement to have ‘repeatedly lied to the employment tribunal, to have made some of their allegations in bad-faith and to have made complaints, some of which were absurd’.

Atos have now applied for costs which if granted, would be one of the largest awards in the history of employment tribunals.

Members of Benefits and Work will be aware that the two doctors were the subject of a recent investigation by us relating to a company they set up to help people claim incapacity benefit and ESA. (See: Atos docs and burger man charge £65 a time for claim help).!

The national publicity given to the medical duo’s allegations last year helped to increase prejudice against sick and disabled claimants.! Few Benefits and Work members will shed a tear if those same allegations now leave the doctors so destitute they have to claim benefits themselves.

So on the one hand they state Atos as punishing them for not being soft enough, on the other, they then set a company up to help claimants..... Ironic?

cit_k

Anubis wrote: »

Out of the gifthorses mouth, read the part about financial incentives
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1021686/How-doctors-like-punished-exposing-sicknote-scroungers-whistleblower.html

Yup, those financial incentives exist, as they are part of the contract, and many assessors are paid per assessment too.

The rest of it, well, I would take with a pinch of salt, as there is history with those doctors, they took the case to tribunal, and the tribunal basically found they were telling a huge pack of lies, and the faced the prospect of massive amounts of costs being charged against them apparently (not sure how that would happen, but that is what was reported, it must have been down to them lying so much that they took the exceptional route of looking into charging them the costs of it all).

No idea what happened after that re the tribunal, but it appears from further reports that one or both of them set up a business charging claimaints for help in producing reports/filling in forms etc to pass the assessments!

Anubis_2

Yes, I edited my post, the story is there