General discussion for (Tottenham) riots

A._Badger

fc123 wrote: »

Quite a few shootings in our area on a regular basis and all are gang related. The big news occurs when a bystander get's shot by accident but unless that happens, they are not reported in the press just a yellow board put up.

Before I managed to escape (and that is exactly how it felt) the local police in my area stopped putting out the yellow boards on the laughable grounds that they 'alarmed the local populace'

Damn right they did! Just not as much as having idiot teenagers running around the streets brandishing 9mm automatics!

brit1234

olly300 wrote: »

Lots of insurance polices do not cover "civil disturbances" or riots. So riots aren't victimless crimes.

In the case of large retailers most (but not all due to the state of the economy) can get money lent to them to sort things out but in the case of small retailers, people whose homes are damaged and whose cars have been burnt out they have to bear the cost themselves.

Actually under the law if there is a riot then the police are liable for the costs. That's why we have to arrest for violent disorder rather than riot.

The government are looking to change the law so the police aren't liable for these costs.

Be prepared for more of this as gangs are aiming to target police at Nottinghill Carnival like 3 years ago. Then a few days later its the English Defense league march into the Sharia declared zone of Tower Hamlets. Anti facist grouups are planning to clash with them and its no doubt gangs will hijack it like out side West Londons Magistrates court a few months.

No matter what the police management do the individual officers on the ground stuck in the middle will do their best to protect the public.

fc123

A._Badger wrote: »

Before I managed to escape (and that is exactly how it felt) the local police in my area stopped putting out the yellow boards on the laughable grounds that they 'alarmed the local populace'

Damn right they did! Just not as much as having idiot teenagers running around the streets brandishing 9mm automatics!

:rotfl:I will confess to something a few months back.......at the entrance to our industrial estate is a brothel (and is known as such locally). Quiet during the days but comes alive at night......anyways, one morning @ 4am there was was, sadly, a hit and run on one of the girls. She was badly hurt and went to hospital where she nearly died.
For a week, they didn't know of she would live and, had she died, a yellow board would have been placed at the entrance to the estate.

I had a chat with the security guard as the owners were concerned about the affect the board would have on visitors and potential new tenants......and I was too, though I am ashamed to say so as we had a VIP client due to visit that week.....and the rat traps + vast derelictness are bad enough.
Fortunately, she lived so no board.

fc123

A._Badger wrote: »

Before I managed to escape (and that is exactly how it felt) the local police in my area stopped putting out the yellow boards on the laughable grounds that they 'alarmed the local populace'

Damn right they did! Just not as much as having idiot teenagers running around the streets brandishing 9mm automatics!

I understand what you mean about 'escape' as we did for 5 years and coming back was even harder (though it suits for now).

I have a target of another 3 years then out for good but the kids are now young adults and love London.

drc

London is a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde character. Even affluent, leafy, genteel, middle-class areas become something out of a horror film at night with groups of rowdy chavs and all sorts of goings-on at night. I'm sure it wasn't like this in the 80s or even 90s. What's happened to London .

I_Love_Free_Money

Yeah i live in forest gate and the idiots have only gone and decided to loot jd sports in stratford! They aren't even thinking about what there rioting about, there just stealing what they want; nikeys, ralphys, televisions and computers.

chewmylegoff

drc wrote: »

London is a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde character. Even affluent, leafy, genteel, middle-class areas become something out of a horror film at night with groups of rowdy chavs and all sorts of goings-on at night. I'm sure it wasn't like this in the 80s or even 90s. What's happened to London .

Not that I've noticed. Maybe I have been living in the wrong places for chavish disorder, but London seems quite mild to me compared to some of the northern hell holes I've visited over the years. That said, I haven't been anywhere near tottenham, ever.

movilogo

People riot because they're angry.

I'm angry on government but I don't go on smashing shops for that.

People riot because they know they can get away with! Going to jail will raise standard of living for many of these rioters. Most will be asked to do a !!!!! cat community service. In jail they will play with PS3 and will have access to yoga classes. If they were publicly whipped, I am sure that will deter someone from doing riot next time.

Punishment is a deterrence for others who aspire to commit crime in future. Sadly the human rights brigade made the judiciary system a mockery.

lostinrates

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Not that I've noticed. Maybe I have been living in the wrong places for chavish disorder, but London seems quite mild to me compared to some of the northern hell holes I've visited over the years. That said, I haven't been anywhere near tottenham, ever.

I saw it when I was still living in london, both around Green Park and Chelsea, and between the two, and Hampstead. Its not riotous or violent, but its loud and disrespectful and sometimes threatening, often drunken to point of stupour. Its certainly ''chavish'' I hate that word, though comes with both RP, estuary and other more foreign accents.

Often driving though the West End...say up past Trocadero Centre, on a friday/saturday late eveing, crossing Town, one had to stop for people falling into the road often. Screeching etc are common place. Just because it doesn't end up looting doesn't mean its particularly charming behaviour!

Generali

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Not that I've noticed. Maybe I have been living in the wrong places for chavish disorder, but London seems quite mild to me compared to some of the northern hell holes I've visited over the years. That said, I haven't been anywhere near tottenham, ever.

What has shocked me in Northern hell-hole towns is the level of violence in and around pubs. You just don't get that in London or if you do it has passed me by.

Tottenham is a dump. There is a rather nice football ground there though.