Private parking 'fine'

blackbox2000

Last week I received a notification of a parking contravention from a 'private' firm.
The 'crime' was parking in a supermarket car park and extending the stay beyond the 90 minute free parking allowance.
while reading previous threads advising to ignore the letters,Thank you for these, I am a little concerned that the note advises that details will be passed to a debt collecting agency should there be a failure to pay.
Can anyone help on the legal points of this and should I just continue to ignore all correspondance??

HappyMJ

Yes the debt will be passed to a debt collecton agency. It is sometimes a wholly owned subsidiary of the parking company. You'll get letters. Do whatever you like with them but stop calling it a "fine". It isn't. Only courts issue fines. Police and councils issue penalty's and parking companies issue invoices. If you don't pay an invoice they have to prove a loss in a court to recover the money to which they can't so that's the end of it.

RENEGADE_2

Yes I can help you. So-called debt collection agencies are a bigger deception than the PPC who issued your original ticket. As the whole venture is unlawful, these vampires resort to an evil tactic in involving these pointless ineffective companies to draft official looking letters for them. The point is simple - you will only owe money AFTER the case has been heard in County Court. The legislation is Contract Law and as such, the landowner is the one to puruse the matter and can only seek actual losses. As this was a free car park, losses = ZERO.

The laws of the land forbid invented "penalties" and this is what you have been issued. Your antagonist knows that he can never stand before a judge and satisfy him that your action cost him the amount he is claiming; he on the other hand is trying to fool you that by parking on the land, you automatically agreed to those conditions. Well you didn't. NOBODY agrees to allowing another person to break the law.

Debt collectors are NOT bailiffs and have no legal powers. It is a front, like a sea-side town destitute of anything cultural or attractive behind the promenade.

MichaelCR

blackbox2000 wrote: »

Last week I received a notification of a parking contravention from a 'private' firm.
The 'crime' was parking in a supermarket car park and extending the stay beyond the 90 minute free parking allowance.
while reading previous threads advising to ignore the letters,Thank you for these, I am a little concerned that the note advises that details will be passed to a debt collecting agency should there be a failure to pay.
Can anyone help on the legal points of this and should I just continue to ignore all correspondance??

Ignore, Ignore, Ignore !!

This isn't a fine, Courts issue fines which you have to pay under UK law, Police and Council authorities will issue you 'Penalty Notice's' Again which under UK law you have to pay unless you want to be taken to court which could land you in alot of trouble.

Now then, Private Parking 'Firms', corporation's, Companies etc etc issue you 'Parking Charge Notices' Or what ever else they call them these days (Glorified Invoices), Which you are absolutely under no obligation to pay, These companies have absolutely no authority, And can not use Legal Terms like Penalty, Fine, Penalty Notice in order to make you pay up ! Remember for them to make a claim in a civil court against you they will have to prove that they have suffered some form of loss due to your negligence, Which is impossible. So please ignore these letters, There debt collection company is hanging onto tether hooks in the hope that you'll be scared into paying up ! They'll soon get the message that you aren't paying.

bondy_lad

100% totally ignore and all the threat o grams/junk mail you wil recieve,, nothing will/can happen despite all their threats,, they will not take you to court, because they know 100% that they will lose.do not worry.

Kite2010

OP, if you look in this thread: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2214803

It will tell you what to expect in loo-paper.

ffacoffipawb

RENEGADE wrote: »

Debt collectors are NOT bailiffs and have no legal powers. It is a front, like a sea-side town destitute of anything cultural or attractive behind the promenade.

Oh, you mean Rhyl? :rotfl:

robredz

ffacoffipawb wrote: »

Oh, you mean Rhyl? :rotfl:

Could be Colwyn Bay, or Llandudno, or soon will be as parking Eye have been brought in by Mostyn Estates to "police" parking on the Champneys shopping area...

RENEGADE_2

:money:

ffacoffipawb wrote: »

Oh, you mean Rhyl?

Rhyl's all right, Wales is beautiful in general. England IMHO is a third world country compared to its western neighbour! I meant Brighton.

Excellent sea-front, but venture into the hinterland and it's all brown houses, 60s apartments with no balconies and large council estates. Just right for most Londoners given they flock to Brighton mostly. When Cockneys tell you they are going to Brighton for the weekend, they don't mean the seaside, they mean the rotten homes from home behind the promanades; like their East End away from the East End! :D:p

Coupon-mad

RENEGADE wrote: »

:money:

Rhyl's all right, Wales is beautiful in general. England IMHO is a third world country compared to its western neighbour! I meant Brighton.

Excellent sea-front, but venture into the hinterland and it's all brown houses, 60s apartments with no balconies and large council estates. Just right for most Londoners given they flock to Brighton mostly. When Cockneys tell you they are going to Brighton for the weekend, they don't mean the seaside, they mean the rotten homes from home behind the promanades; like their East End away from the East End! :D:p

:T:p I see this thread is still running off-topic! Well, certain parts of Brighton are like that...but then I don't live there! I support the footie team and shop in Brighton sometimes but my modest little house isn't in the City.

The seafront I hated when I visited was Blackpool - old-fashioned & tired! :whistle:

RENEGADE_2

Oh that's all right about it going off topic - read on and we shall put it back on track!

Firstly Coupon, my comments about Brighton were in no way whatsoever directed at you and in fact it had even slipped my mind that you supported the football team and that you lived somewhere in big Sussex! I was referring to debt collection agencies which were "all front and nothing else". I could just have easily said Margate but I chose Brighton after someone named Rhyl. Brighton like all modern towns is indeed developed and has some lovely areas. It's not your fault that it becomes infested with cyclists/students/criminals/party-goers/gays/office workers/daybreakers et al all from London. I simply referred to the fact that if you took a bird's eye view (such as from a plane bound for Gatwick), you see what looks like a nice wide historical white-coloured front behind which there is little depth and it is mostly brown or "unclean" white, all forming the suburbs. Sorry if you thought I was having a pop at you and Brighton, I wasn't!

Debt collectors are all front, as are PPCs.