UKPC - Balliffs?

Kite2010

bromsgrovebarry wrote: »

A nice little earner for somebody getting kickbacks from PPCs.

It's a shame the landowners don't demand more money from the PPCs, like 20% of all invoices raised within that month regardless if they are paid or not. That would soon put some of the PPCs out of business or kill the contracts

Kite2010

plrd321 wrote: »

hi all,

I recently received a parking ticket from a horrible little man who could barely communicate properly with me, who was working for the UKPC. The ticket stated ‘Owner left site’ so I challenged it with UKPC by email.

They said that I left the site and they had ‘no record’ of me using the facilities, but I did. Four shops in fact. I explained this in my response but received an email back (which was clearly a standard email) saying they were proceeding with a ‘fine’ anyway. The problem is I cannot produce a receipt as we didn’t buy anything.

I have now received a letter with all the usual rubbish enclosed and I am inclined to follow guidance and ignore it. However, my wife is a little concerned that a bailiff will call which would concern me if I was out.

My question is, is this possible without it going to court? Obviously if I have a court telling me to pay I will. My understanding is the Balliffs only come after court and not before?

Many Thanks for ay advice,

Paul.

Did the ticket say "owner left site", would be so funny if the driver that day wasn't the registered keeper of the vehicle, so how could the owner leave the site if the owner wasn't even on the site in the first place?

angel_islington

Coupon-mad wrote: »

You are right in saying that he shouldn't waste his time with these jokers, and to let them waste their time sending letters till they crawl back under their rock.

But he doesn't need to have any conversation with his wife about debt collectors because debt collectors DO NOT come to houses over PPC fake parking tickets! I know you say it's unlikely but it's actually unheard of (except when a scam PPC pretended they were bailiffs once and put an illiterate note through someone's door which was linked on here for everyone to laugh at. It was also reported to the Police).

Debt collectors can't do anything, there is no credit agreement so there's no default, no debt, no fine - because it's not a fine. Debt collectors acting for PPCs just send the usual threatograms shown in the top sticky thread 'PPC letter chains' at the top of this sub-forum:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=163

And occasionally they make phone calls as well but it's all covered in the sticky info threads and/or search the forum for 'Roxburghe phone calls'. Anyone phoned about a fake PCN just has to tell the debt collector to do one, as the debt is denied and their contact with the registered keeper of the car is harassment (a criminal offence).

Newbies should also watch the Watchdog link in 'WELCOME, please read before posting' as that explains what a respected solicitor would do with any bogus PCN. It's another permanent sticky thread near the top on the forum view link I have given.

plrd321, you have nothing to worry about. It wasn't even a 'parking ticket'.

I see your point. I am a firm believer in communication however and if it was me I would be talking to my GF along the lines of "we don't have anything to worry about as its not legally enforceable blah blah but IF anyone ever comes to the apartment when I am not around claiming to be from a DC or a PPC then do not open the door and tell them to do one" You say its unheard of but if I was the first, I would be kicking myself thinking "well, it's never happened before" There is always a first time.

My other half is pretty well versed on these matters, due to me going on about it all the time but not everyone is the same. That's why we have these forums. People come here to get more information, which is great because we tell them not to worry etc and more often than not they listen and they make a small dent in the downfall of these illegal rackets. If they never came here, then more people would just pay up and the racket continues.

So, basically, not everyone is as knowledgeable in these matters as the regular posters here. There are people out there who let people into their homes with no obligation whatsoever to do so.

trisontana

PPCs and debt collectors NEVER visit people's homes. That's all there is to know.

angel_islington

trisontana wrote: »

PPCs and debt collectors NEVER visit people's homes. That's all there is to know.

OK, so create a scenario here. You don't bother communicating with your wife/gf/partner about what to do in the event of a doorstep visit under the pretence of them 'never' visiting peoples homes. However, unluckily for you, you're the first. Your wife/gf/partner panics and lets them in. Are you not left thinking "well, it's never happened before!" Bit late now though, as they've decided to help themselves to your stuff.

I agree, its an out there concept but communicating costs nothing and may, just may, help you.

Personally, I'm not willing to take the (small) risk.

esmerobbo

How can a debt collector get your stuff?

trisontana

You seem to be confusing debt collectors with bailiffs. The former are just private citizens with no special powers. They cannot enter your property, they cannot seize goods, and they cannot blacken you credit record over an alleged private parking ticket.

Kite2010

esmerobbo wrote: »

How can a debt collector get your stuff?

By people mistaking thinking that they are bailiffs whom have a right to take stuff to sell on for silly prices

trisontana

Kite2010 wrote: »

By people mistaking thinking that they are bailiffs whom have a right to take stuff to sell on for silly prices

If they ever do that they would be breaking the law and be charged with theft.

angel_islington

Kite2010 wrote: »

By people mistaking thinking that they are bailiffs whom have a right to take stuff to sell on for silly prices

Bingo. At least someone gets where I am coming from!