Comparison site headache

backfoot

Troll alert nearly over. :rotfl:

Plushchris

bengasman wrote: »

You are not comparing one bill with another bill, but one SUBSIDISED bill plus an artificially supported bill against TWO other bills.
Apart from issues such as direct debits being changed without the owners knowledge by including the notice in a bunch of bumf, it makes it rather complicated.

So you are admitting that the direct debit discounts do make a difference then?

I thought they were "window dressing"

Premier_2

bengasman wrote: »

Not exactly verifiable then, is it? No company, no actual figures in terms of pounds paid or pounds saved by not paying the other option; only percentages...

I gave you the name of the company, it was SP.

In April 2009 their electricity unit prices for Eastern region were:

tier 1 = 18.300p
tier 2 = 12.151p
rate 2 = 6.363p

Based on a total usage of 2660 units (620 at night, 2040 during the day) the annual cost was £292.97 (after allowing for a £50 p.a. prompt payment discount)


This was the suppliers standard (often erroneously called the most expensive) tariff

By contast they offered a Premier Plus package at the following lower unit rates:

tier 1 = 17.466p
tier 2 = 11.901p
rate 2 = 6.219p

This would have an annual cost of £320.92 (after allowing for £10.50 online discount)

That's an annual oncost of £27.95 if people were to follow your suggestion and choose the lower unit cost tariff

Premier_2

bengasman wrote: »

That's better.
All that's missing now is the postcode ( first half will do ) and the year.
It's still not a REAL LIFE example though, is it, but a hypothetical Mr Bloggs.

!!!!!!! I told you it was the East Midlands supply area. You can use NN1 as the first part of a postcode in that area, but there are many others.

And it is hypothetical as it relates to the average gas usage as declared by Ofcom! (as you wanted it based on average usage)

These are current prices as shown today on the comparison sites.

bengasman

Plushchris wrote: »

So you are admitting that the direct debit discounts do make a difference then?

DD gives a flat discount on any amount, over any time, without any further conditions, and is verifiable to anyone that can use a calculator accurately. Nothing to do with admitting from my side or claims from another, which is why I keep asking for VERIFIABLE examples.

Which reminds me of something important. To make my calculations verifiable for most readers of MSE, it would be conducive to transparency if we limit examples to single bills of either leccie or gas, and of one month, or a quarter maximum during which there were no general tariff changes as there are twice each year.

I really can't be bothered to go through lengthy, complicated calculations and comparisons, and it makes no difference to the general principle any way.

bengasman

Premier wrote: »

!!!!!!! I told you it was the East Midlands supply area.

Just to make it all transparent and verifiable, give me a post code; pick any one you want for all I care.

Premier wrote: »

And it is hypothetical as it relates to the average gas usage as declared by Ofcom! (as you wanted it based on average usage)

Read my post more carefully, and you will see that what I asked for, was a REAL LIFE example for average use.
That doesn't mean a hypothetical Mr Bloggs using the exact national average, but a REAL user billed for a "normal" amount of energy. Normal meaning somewhere in the middle third e.g average annual use £300, somewhere between £200 and £400 annual use.

This just to avoid silly examples like a chap I know who gets a rebate of a couple of pounds every month on his gasbill because he is on a no-standing-charge tariff and only has a gashob that is used once a week. Since he pays his quarterly bill of around £4 the day he gets it, he qualifies for the £7.50 discount.

Premier_2

bengasman wrote: »

...
Read my post more carefully, and you will see that what I asked for, was a REAL LIFE example for average use.
That doesn't mean a hypothetical Mr Bloggs using the exact national average, but a REAL user billed for a "normal" amount of energy. Normal meaning somewhere in the middle third e.g average annual use £300, somewhere between £200 and £400 annual use...

I'm a real person, and I've given you real figures to disprove your argument. They are within your tolerance band of £200 - £400 annual usage.

bengasman

Premier wrote: »

I'm a real person, and I've given you real figures to disprove your argument. They are within your tolerance band of £200 - £400 annual usage.

Great.
Pick any month of your choosing this year as long as it was outside a period where the tariffs changed.
State exactly how many kWh you used in that month and the exact amount you paid for that use.
Tell me what the exact name/code was for the tariff during that month so anyone who cares can verify the numbers.
Give me the postcode so it is incontrovertible which rates apply from various companies.

This way it will be as transparent as possible for the majority of MSE readers.
Be so kind to list the aforementioned all in one post to make it easily accessible to all who care to compare for themselves to see if my calculations are correct. At the end of the day, my calculations/verifications won't be worth squat without readers being able to check for themselves.

backfoot

Troll gets more punters. :rotfl:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3372844=

Plushchris

Most pointless waste of a thread ever, and off topic too..


Please come back OP