School starting age, please advise

Soniclord

blue_monkey wrote: »

So now we find out, the REAL reason for not sending her is you do not want the inconvenience of taking her. OMG. how incredibly selfish.

WRONG! It clearly makes more sense to keep her at nursery for now (does 20 buses in 5 days sound right to you!) This is more about my childs welfare than ANYTHING else!! AND MORE IMPORTANTLY I'm wanting to get my daughter into a good school! (did you miss that bit?) skim reading a thread is pointless as clearly you did!

blue_monkey wrote: »

You know what, that is what having a family is all about. Sometimes things happen that are an inconvenience.

You don't say....

blue_monkey wrote: »

I think you should note that they have told you to call in JUNE. Places for schools are allocated between February and April. This means you child is NOT being offered a space, she will be given a space IF there is room. IF.

I have already contacted the school! And am waiting to hear back from them... The LA told me to phone back in JUNE, NOT the school.. Which is why I phoned the school directly!

blue_monkey wrote: »

I actually had to go back and read again 'you are waiting to get your daughter into a good school' - you are missing the point that she might not actually get in. You could get her in now and guarantee her a place but your convenience is more important.

Wow, I think I might be speechless.

If only :T

blue_monkey wrote: »

If you move in October, surely you will have to go back and forth on the bus to Nursery until next July anyway?

Have you read NOTHING I previously put? My eldest daughter currently attends nursery in the village we are MOVING TO! not the one we live in NOW! When we moved we kept her in that nursery, so when we move in October or around that time.. We won't have to get the bus to the nursery period as it's in the village we are moving back to!!

And there is a big difference in getting TWO buses at Midday than having to get TWO buses at 7:30am with 2 children! Are you really that stupid you don't realise that?

Also getting my kids up and arranging for my parents to look after the youngest 1 whilst I take the older 1 to nursery clearly makes more sense. So for christs sake wind your neck in as you know i'm right, you just don't want to admit it!

And in case you missed it I said there is a big difference in getting TWO buses on a Monday, Thursday and Friday (the days my eldest attends nursery) at Midday to get my daughter to nursery for 1pm than getting TWO buses very early in the morning..

blue_monkey wrote: »

And heaven forbid if you move and find there is no room for her and then she gets allocated the scummy school instead. Which would be ironic really, wouldn't it?

Are you clearly as daft as you appear?? How would my daughter getting 'allocated' the 'scummy' school mean she would be sent there?? You forget you DON'T have to be in a 'catchment' area AND can send your daughter to any school you wish! She would NOT end up at that school as it has a VERY bad reputation and is well known for being a poor school. DON'T YOU GET IT YET!! She will NOT end up there......

So keep your irony for someone who gives a damn!

blue_monkey wrote: »

I don't think you have given this much thought to be honest?

And I'm supposed to be surprised by that comment?

shirlgirl2004 wrote: »

Please don't be harsh on PPs.

Sorry I don't know what you mean by PPs but I can only assume fellow posters?? Anyway SOME of them (1 in particular) deserves the harshness due to the nature of their posts.

shirlgirl2004 wrote: »

You could accept a place at the school and then send your child once a week. There would be nothing they could do until your child is at an age which requires an education. You can't be fined for not providing an education when the law doesn't require it at the age of 4.

I didn't know that so thanks.

shirlgirl2004 wrote: »

You could, as an option, ask for flexi-schooling at your preferred school. It is at the school's discretion though. They might be happy with only 2 days a week until she is of statutory age. Maybe even just afternoons? Just a thought and might be worthy of consideration if it fits with your family life.

True but I still believe I've made the right decision (for now at least) but thanks for the info.

blue_monkey wrote: »

As I say, you'll still have to get the bus I guess.

Only for now!

blue_monkey wrote: »

And it is quite plain to see why you are deferring her so all the stuff you said previously was a lie. You are doing it because you do not want the hassle of getting the bus.

I didn't lie once! It's not to do with the 'hassle' of getting the bus! And I've already explained my reasons! And no one in their right mind would get both daughters up at 6:30am (including a 2 year old) to take them on 2 buses just to get to school when they HAVE A CHOICE! Apart from you (and probably some other people) WHO HAVE CARS! It's more to do with my daughters well being, and for christs sake it would be 20 buses in 5 days! Would you do it?? SCRAP THAT of course you would. Little miss/mr high and mighty over there!

BY THE WAY how is that nice little cosy car of yours working out for you! Out the door and straight in the car! Especially in Winter, DO LET ME KNOW! And don't let the door hit you on the way out!

blue_monkey wrote: »

I could almost find it ironic that you say this

In such schools wrapped around such dire housing estates the pupils change for even worse scumbag kids whose parents don't give a damn, I will NOT even allow my child to be anywhere near such scum.That's not open to discussion as far as I'm concerned.

When you actually do not want to send your child to school because it is 'an inconveneince'

Unlike you who is a stickler for getting your kids out the door like a military sergeant at a set time! It's more to do with the welfare of my children! 20 buses a week would NOT be good for either 1 of them. LIke it or not I don't give a damn! Damn being french for some other word that right now deserts me..

blue_monkey wrote: »

Ouch. That fall has gotta hurt!! I am laughing way too much at the irony in your post :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Did you fall over? I do hope your alright..

blue_monkey wrote: »

And just in case anyone needs a reminder, the op is not deferring because of the education she get's, it is because he does not want to get up at 6.30

I don't think anyone needs you to remind them of anything, your like a parrot.

blue_monkey wrote: »

And the reasons she is being deferred are simple, we would have to get up at 6.30am where we live now and get her to school for 8.30am now combine that with getting our 2 year old up and ready at that time as well and having to take her with us on the bus at that time just makes no sense at all

blue_monkey wrote: »

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You are a hypocrite OP.

Well no I'm not. What I'm doing makes a lot of sense actually!! Your just too damn jaded to see it!

bestpud wrote: »

If the OP believes it is no disadvantage to start school at 5 (and I agree tbh), then surely the right thing to do is what's best for the child...?

Thank you.

bestpud wrote: »

Or do you think it is ok to be transporting a child around at that hour for no real benefit?

That's the point I'm trying to make to blue_monkey but clearly it isn't working!

bestpud wrote: »

Maybe, but would you do that through choice? If you had a perfectly viable alternative, would you still drag your children out of bed that early?

That's another point I'm trying to get across but blue_monkey is clearly not listening/isn't interested in anything anyone else says because they're so wrapped up in there own perfect little world.

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I have to agree with you on this. Here in Scotland she would not be going to school for another year anyway.

It does seem very early to have to get a very young child up for school.

Exactly. Thank you Torry.

blue_monkey wrote: »

When we moved my 4 year old (and 2 months) son was out the door at 8.15 in the car for a 35 minute car journey to school.

That would be that nice COSY little car you've got then..

blue_monkey wrote: »

You do what you have to do, for your children.

Exactly and that's what I'm doing! You doing what you have to do for your children is to jump in that COSY little car of yours! I bet you use it to go 200 yards to the shop just to pick up a paper as well..

blue_monkey wrote: »

If this means you have an inconvenience so be it.

NOT if their is a viable alternative! And in my case there is!!!!!

blue_monkey wrote: »

My son was autistic, keeping him off school would have been FAR more damaging for him.

I feel for you having an autistic son I really do and I agree keeping him off school would have been FAR more damaging for him, but this is about my child NOT yours. And my child isn't autistic. That in no way is a dig at you as I know you will have a difficult time with an autistic child! So DON'T take it as me having a go as I'm not.

blue_monkey wrote: »

The OP is not starting his child there because he cannot be bothered with the journey and getting the baby up.

We've been over this over and over and over again! Because there is a viable alternative! And I'm not breaking any laws here! I AM ALLOWED to defer my child from going to school until they are 5 REMEMBER THAT!

blue_monkey wrote: »

Also, what about when he moves in 3 months time and the child still has to go to Nursery where they currently live? Is the start time not going to be 8.30? Or will he just not bother to take her because it is too much effort?

My child attends nursery Monday, Thursday and Friday from 1pm to 6pm The start time is NOT 8:30.

blue_monkey wrote: »

Does it not bother you that he lied?

I didn't lie..

bestpud wrote: »

The OP does not have to take her to school yet though!!

Your sadly wasting your breathe, the monkey clearly doesn't want to listen and is happy to keep swinging on by to post but missing important information such as that.

bestpud wrote: »

I agree the child will not suffer from the delayed start but they may well suffer from the long hours!

Could you clarify please? I know you said my child won't suffer from the delayed start, but you said they may well suffer from the long hours. Do you mean the long hours when she does start school?

bestpud wrote: »

And I'm still wondering where the OP has lied?

So am I. Lol.

bestpud wrote: »

You consider it important but the OP does not! Don't forget, you were sure the alternative was worse for your child. If you'd seen a viable alternative, you'd have done otherwise!

Exactly.

bestpud wrote: »

The school cannot refuse a deferral if there is a place, so how may it mean they don't get one?

That's what I'd like to know.

blue_monkey_2

Sorry, I used to word Lie. I meant hypocrite.

Listen, I could not give a hoot whether or not you defer your child for whatever reason - if you think your very clever daughter is going to benefit more by spending the day mixing with 2 year olds so be it. Your choice. I am sure she will learn a lot from them and not 30 other 5 year olds and the other children older than her she would mix with in school. It must be fun for her playing with toddlers rather than children of her own age.

However when you started calling other parents and children 'the scum of the earth' and said it was 'because they could not be bothered with them' I started to dislike you. Then 2 pages later you 'confess' that actually you do not want to take your daughter to school now because getting the bus would be 'an inconvenience' and actually you wanted to find out if you was breaking the law. You prefer to have your child playing with 2 year olds at Nursery, she is going to learn loads there I am sure. That is why you are a hypocrite, you are actually no better than those other 'can't be bothered' parents.

However, back to what I was originally saying. YOu have a concieted attitude and no, you have not given it much though IMO.

You want a 'certain' school. I could tell you about the person who wanted a 'certain' school but got one about 30 miles away instead. Life does not always give you what you 'want'. You sound like a spoilt child stamping his feet. Were you and only child by any chance?

Sometimes it is like banging your head against a brick wall trying to tell people some things.

What are you going to do if you move and the school you 'want' does not have the space?

You seem to KNOW (or think you know) you are getting a space, well if there is no room, there is no room. You can appeal but that does not guarantee you a space either - there could already be 10 other people appealing.

You can go on the list of continued interest, however, there could be more people on that list in front of you. The school my friend wants, and has officially applied for, has 23 people on the list of continued interest. Last year there were loads of spaces at this very school, this intake year, nothing at all it is now very oversubscribed with 23 pupils waiting.

You will not get to start 'choosing' if the schools are full but you seem to think otherwise. You might well get a school that is even more inconvenience to get to. And if you do not send her, you will be breaking the law and get taken to court. Good luck with that. You 'seem' to have it all mapped out, you are going to get one hell of a shock if life does not give you what you want.

You NEED to start looking at schools now, your daughter might not even like it there, she might not 'fit in' and that is important too. Have you even bothered looking at any schools yet?

blue_monkey_2

Originally Posted by bestpud
The school cannot refuse a deferral if there is a place, so how may it mean they don't get one?

I am not saying this is why they will refuse, I am saying that by next June anything could have happened, a load of travellers might move to the area in May and they might take all the spare spaces in Reception. Which would be funny if you think about it.

Soniclord

blue_monkey wrote: »

If you think your very clever daughter is going to benefit more by spending the day mixing with 2 year olds so be it. Your choice. I am sure she will learn a lot from them and not 30 other 5 year olds and the other children older than her she would mix with in school.

Actually the nursery start children off in her section of the nursery at 3 years old!! There are 2 sections 1 for younger children and 1 for children aged 3+ In fact from ages 3-5 so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

blue_monkey wrote: »

However when you started calling other parents and children 'the scum of the earth' and said it was 'because they could not be bothered with them' I started to dislike you.

Well it's true for the area I'm talking about and I really couldn't care less if you started to dislike me or not. Your problem is that your one of those types of people that because I have an opinion that differs from yours you don't like it. Well get over it and get over yourself.

blue_monkey wrote: »

2 pages later you 'confess' that actually you do not want to take your daughter to school now because getting the bus would be 'an inconvenience' and actually you wanted to find out if you was breaking the law.

I 'confessed' nothing! This isn't a church you pompous fool. And I didn't want to check if I was breaking the law at all, I was simple making sure I DIDN'T. There is a BIG difference.

blue_monkey wrote: »

You prefer to have your child playing with 2 year olds at Nursery, she is going to learn loads there I am sure. That is why you are a hypocrite, you are actually no better than those other 'can't be bothered' parents.

Well as I've said it won't be 2 year olds, and even if it was does that mean if she plays with her 2 year old sister she won't learn anything from her either? Don't you DARE lecture me on my kids upbringing! I am no hypocrite and I am far better than ALL of those can't be bothered parents!!!!!

blue_monkey wrote: »

You want a 'certain' school. I could tell you about the person who wanted a 'certain' school but got one about 30 miles away instead.

You could tell me but I couldn't care less.

blue_monkey wrote: »

Were you and only child by any chance?

No I have 2 brothers, 1 older, 1 younger. And even if I had been an only child? How exactly would that have changed things? It wouldn't..

blue_monkey wrote: »

Sometimes it is like banging your head against a brick wall trying to tell people some things.

Oh don't I know it.....

blue_monkey wrote: »

What are you going to do if you move and the school you 'want' does not have the space?

I'm already in the process of getting her a space AND my LA have already checked with the school and they do have spaces! And I've also contacted the school to see if they will defer it for a year! Are you really so daft you missed me saying all of that previously!! For gods sake man read the damn thread properly........

blue_monkey wrote: »

You seem to KNOW (or think you know) you are getting a space, well if there is no room, there is no room.

See above!! There are spaces still available!!

blue_monkey wrote: »

You NEED to start looking at schools now, your daughter might not even like it there, she might not 'fit in' and that is important too. Have you even bothered looking at any schools yet?

The school I'm looking into already has pupils in it that my daughter knows!! It's in a village where I know A LOT of people whom I went to school with and still talk to now and my daughter knows their children so she will fit in due to the fact she already knows A LOT of the pupils at that school! Jesus.......

blue_monkey wrote: »

A load of travellers might move to the area in May and they might take all the spare spaces in Reception. Which would be funny if you think about it.

Yeah course it would :shhh:

By the way can't you read?? She wouldn't be going into Reception she'd go straight into Year 1, so if all the traveller kids went into Reception it wouldn't matter! Eejit!

bestpud

blue_monkey wrote: »

Sometimes it is like banging your head against a brick wall trying to tell people some things.

What are you going to do if you move and the school you 'want' does not have the space?

And if you do not send her, you will be breaking the law and get taken to court. Good luck with that. You 'seem' to have it all mapped out, you are going to get one hell of a shock if life does not give you what you want.

You NEED to start looking at schools now, your daughter might not even like it there, she might not 'fit in' and that is important too. Have you even bothered looking at any schools yet?

The OP mentioned home education at the start so I imagine that is the route they will take if they don't get the school of their choice. And in that case, no, they will not be taken to court!

Education is compulsory, school isn't.

bestpud

Sonicord - when I said your child won't suffer from putting off school for a year but she might from the long hours, I meant she may suffer from being sent to school now as the hours will be long for her.

In other words, no parent with their child's welfare at heart would send her now when there is no gain educationally and the long hours may actually do her some harm.

Sadly there is a lot of blinkered parents when it comes to education.

Mrs_Arcanum

The idea was to even out the disparity between autumn and summer birthday starting dates. What was totally missed in all this was the maturity of the child to cope with full time, regardless of when the birthday is.

Kept both mine in pre-school because unlike the nursery attached to the school next door there was a decent structure to the day, not a general free for all where the quiet child can be easily overlooked, also I could have full time hours for them when they were ready (both May birthdays). The greatest benefit to a child's education is not so much which school they go to, it is the amount of parental support they get with reading and sums at home.

bestpud

Mrs_Arcanum wrote: »

The idea was to even out the disparity between autumn and summer birthday starting dates. What was totally missed in all this was the maturity of the child to cope with full time, regardless of when the birthday is.

Kept both mine in pre-school because unlike the nursery attached to the school next door there was a decent structure to the day, not a general free for all where the quiet child can be easily overlooked, also I could have full time hours for them when they were ready (both May birthdays). The greatest benefit to a child's education is not so much which school they go to, it is the amount of parental support they get with reading and sums at home.

Can I thank you twice???

I think the school matters but agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your post!

balancelife

I'm all for choosing the best school for your child, so what a relief for you that the one you have chosen isn't popular enough to be full, especially with such poor schools surrounding it. Lucky there and I hope it works out. I also hope you manage to move to the area as having to get buses before lunch time obviously doesn't suit you, so fingers crossed and best of luck.

I also believe that for some families home schooling is a good option when you don't believe your child will do well in the school they would have to go to. I am saddened by people who decide to home school because they think its an easy option, as the children get older it can be, from what Ive seen, quite a challenge but thats not what is being discussed here.

As you asked in your original post about when they legally have to go you now know the answer. they dont legally have to go at any age but generally go the September of the academic year they turn 5.

However, I think you are rude and conceited and I know you don't care about that. I find it hard to believe you are so naive about school life and admissions and think you are hypocritical as well. I also think your attitude towards other people is prejudiced and bigoted. In your decision making process you mainly think of yourself and not of your child. By deciding not to send your child because it inconveniences you, You are no better than the parents you say cant be bothered and I think you need to re address your attitude.

continue to teach your child the academics so she doesnt hold back year one pupils when she starts, from what you said I have confidence you are bright enough to do this. consider helping her to mix with other 5 year olds through the year and teach her to accept others without prejudices before she turns into a person like you. best of luck

iamana1ias

balancelife wrote: »

However, I think you are rude and conceited and I know you don't care about that. I find it hard to believe you are so naive about school life and admissions and think you are hypocritical as well. I also think your attitude towards other people is prejudiced and bigoted. In your decision making process you mainly think of yourself and not of your child. By deciding not to send your child because it inconveniences you, You are no better than the parents you say cant be bothered and I think you need to re address your attitude.

Common for the town the op lives in, unfortunately.