Arrrgghhh so angry, for those who say just get a job stacking shelves

925dancer

Hammyman wrote: »

They didn't when they were doing the job hunting other than the odd covert camera shot.

They didn't get full-time permanent employment though did they? They got a day here, a day there, which would be deducted from their JSA and they would have to declare to the tax man as I'm assuming a lot was cash in hand. They didn't show you that aspect.

Not exactly a fair picture of how easy it is to get sustainable, long term, work is it?

Brodiebobs

The_Archetype wrote: »

There's enough jobs, there are just too many people.

agreed.

my mum applied for a cleaning job, minimum wage, early mornings at an industrial estate with no public transport access so you'd need a car to get there, went for interview and was told they'd received 370 applications, shortlisted to 15 interviews, she didnt get it and there reason was she had no formal cleaning experience (worked in accounts for 30 years until made redundant).

Ayelet

I totally agree with the OP. The job market now is so skewed that those who are desprate for jobs now fill the position of traditional student jobs.

I laugh when I hear people say that there's jobs out there! I guess these are the people sitting in a nice home, having a secured perm contract and secure about their future. These posters above fail to take in to fact that contracts *these days* are often zero hour agency jobs which holds nothing secure about them. These employers often have poor working conditions and generally a high turn over of staff which is why alot of job seekers stay away from these positions, which to be fair you can hardly argue against. This in turn has an adverse effect on the economy as people are afraid to spend, thus slowing trade down which a vicious circle regarding employment. I really do believe a little thing such as a decent contracts would benefit the country greatly.

I'm lucky as I have had the chance to work in the EU (NL) but to be honest, nothing else is out there and you would find it very difficult to survive. Grass is never greener.

After years of only being offered zero hour contracts, I'm hoping to 'better' my life by going to university. Actually I feel I have no choice as I'm unable to gain experience with out some sort of degree, plus I have the added security of being some what stable financially as a student. No brainer really.

Ayelet

Brodiebobs wrote: »

agreed.

my mum applied for a cleaning job, minimum wage, early mornings at an industrial estate with no public transport access so you'd need a car to get there, went for interview and was told they'd received 370 applications, shortlisted to 15 interviews, she didnt get it and there reason was she had no formal cleaning experience (worked in accounts for 30 years until made redundant).

Sadly this is the case for the hotel I work in. A friend applied for a job, but heard nothing back as they only want people with cleaning experiece. Many employers also require an NVQ1 in cleaning services.....

DCFC79

Ayelet wrote: »

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I laugh when I hear people say that there's jobs out there! I guess these are the people sitting in a nice home, having a secured perm contract and secure about their future. These posters above fail to take in to fact that contracts *these days* are often zero hour agency jobs which holds nothing secure about them. These employers often have poor working conditions and generally a high turn over of staff which is why alot of job seekers stay away from these positions, which to be fair you can hardly argue against. This in turn has an adverse effect on the economy as people are afraid to spend, thus slowing trade down which a vicious circle regarding employment. I really do believe a little thing such as a decent contracts would benefit the country greatly.

I'm lucky as I have had the chance to work in the EU (NL) but to be honest, nothing else is out there and you would find it very difficult to survive. Grass is never greener.

you mind i ask what it is you do in NL, there are jobs out there but it depends where people look for them.

Ayelet

DCFC79 wrote: »

you mind i ask what it is you do in NL, there are jobs out there but it depends where people look for them.

I tried applying for many jobs, however all I could land was a housekeepers position in a large hotel in Amsterdam. Even though I speak Dutch, it was difficult to show that I was the right candidate at the job because the Dutch speak amazing English. The Dutch can also wing it in German too....

Other jobs out there included working for Shell, however these were highly educated jobs which I had no chance in getting.

If you apply for jobs in other countries, then you will sadly be up with those nationals who will not only speak their native language, but more than likely better English :P

DCFC79

Ayelet wrote: »

I tried applying for many jobs, however all I could land was a housekeepers position in a large hotel in Amsterdam. Even though I speak Dutch, it was difficult to show that I was the right candidate at the job because the Dutch speak amazing English. The Dutch can also wing it in German too....

Other jobs out there included working for Shell, however these were highly educated jobs which I had no chance in getting.

If you apply for jobs in other countries, then you will sadly be up with those nationals who will not only speak their native language, but more than likely better English :P

nice, well done,

starchild1972

I must admit considering the state some 16-20 yr olds are in on a Saturday or Sunday morning I doubt I would employ a student. I have been in shops where the saturday staff (usually students) are hungover.

When DH worked for an un-named supermarket students got sacked for turning up at work stull DRUNK. This happened on more than one occasion (and most were under 18).
It got to the point that the store refused to employ anyone who was still a student unless they could prove they didn't drink. The situation was ridiculous and it was endemic across the company and in other stores too.

Students/ many young people have to realise they have a choice, go out socialising the night before work, live without a job but also note you are probably ruining the reputation of others at the same time..

skintandscared_2

tiff wrote: »

As someone who interviews, give us tips on how to stand out. Interviews are very different to how they were when I got my first job 25 years ago, my first job was in an insurance company and the interview was more of a casual chat than anything else!

Sorry, I've been out all day and couldn't reply sooner. I'm a team co-ordinator and PA in a City firm of solicitors and have interviewed secretarial staff for my team. Basically, the interviewees who impressed me:

1. Dressed smart, looked presentable
2. Smiled
3. Looked interested and like they WANTED the job
4. Were polite
5. Had at least one decent question which showed they'd googled the company. Even if it was something I'd already covered, they had the initiative to say "I was going to ask you "x" because I read "y" on your website, but you've already covered that so thank you".
6. Don't over-share. I want to hear that you're enthusiastic and can give me all you've got, but not necessarily that you need this job because you have a hubby on the dole and a kid in hospital (not being harsh, but it's all a bit OTT and at that stage I don't need to know...)

I have had interviewees turn up in jeans, unbrushed hair, CHEWING GUM!! One couldn't even remember the company name. I was truly shocked at the attitude of people who were apparently wanting to work with me. :eek:

925dancer

skintandscared wrote: »

Sorry, I've been out all day and couldn't reply sooner. I'm a team co-ordinator and PA in a City firm of solicitors and have interviewed secretarial staff for my team. Basically, the interviewees who impressed me:

1. Dressed smart, looked presentable
2. Smiled
3. Looked interested and like they WANTED the job
4. Were polite
5. Had at least one decent question which showed they'd googled the company. Even if it was something I'd already covered, they had the initiative to say "I was going to ask you "x" because I read "y" on your website, but you've already covered that so thank you".
6. Don't over-share. I want to hear that you're enthusiastic and can give me all you've got, but not necessarily that you need this job because you have a hubby on the dole and a kid in hospital (not being harsh, but it's all a bit OTT and at that stage I don't need to know...)

I have had interviewees turn up in jeans, unbrushed hair, CHEWING GUM!! One couldn't even remember the company name. I was truly shocked at the attitude of people who were apparently wanting to work with me. :eek:

Just confirms what I already do but then I've seen interviewees not dissimilar.

In my last position in London I was witness to the people being interviewed to replace me (not in the interviews but saw them come in). She had this weird hair extension thing in that just looked horrific, add in the bum skimming skirt and she wasn't shortlisted! Most worryingly, this was a girl sent to us form an agency :eek:

Does make me wonder what exactly I need to do to impress these days, interviews used to be my thing, now there's always someone better..............and that's if I can even get an interview!