Just heard a terrific tale

scheming_gypsy

it seems that you can't understand and i can't be bothered going round in circles with you bleating on and not giving any simple conclusive evidence.

raskazz

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

How about i just point you back to where this started.




see... right there for all to see. you see it? it's a question, i asked
the question if you could get points when you're not driving the car.

The question still hasn't been answered and i can't find anything anywhere that answers it either way.
There doesn't seem to be anything that confirms it, just that it's 6 - 8 points for an IN10 offence which is the only insurance related endorsement. When you google it, most either just come back with the IN10 explanation or none official sites that say 'driving without insurance'.

So, as you can see... i haven't said that you have to be driving it, i questioned whether you need to be or not and there's been no conclusive answer provided.

Yes, if you leave an uninsured vehicle on the road or in a public place, you can be prosecuted under section 143 of the Road Traffic Act. The offence is "to use" and as per case law such as Elliott v Gray, Andrews v Kershaw etc, leaving a vehicle parked in the road/public place is "using" the vehicle in terms of section 143. It's not a question of cause or permit.

Tilt's post is not correct as it has always been on offence to leave an uninsured vehicle on a road. The new offence is to leave a vehicle uninsured when it has not been declared off-road to the DVLA, which is a different matter.

There is so much nonsense on this thread. I wish people would not post on what are quite technical topics despite not knowing anything factual about the topic.

Woody._2

raskazz wrote: »

Yes, if you leave an uninsured vehicle on the road or in a public place, you can be prosecuted under section 143 of the Road Traffic Act. The offence is "to use" and as per case law such as Elliott v Gray, Andrews v Kershaw etc, leaving a vehicle parked in the road/public place is "using" the vehicle in terms of section 143. It's not a question of cause or permit.

There is so much nonsense on this thread. I wish people would not post on what are quite technical topics despite not knowing anything factual about the topic.

Thank you.

scheming_gypsy

Thanks for confirming that Raskazz.
As i've said earlier i wasn't saying that it wasn't the case but it just seemed ambiguous and nothing seemed to say either way.

mchale

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

Thanks for confirming that Raskazz.
As i've said earlier i wasn't saying that it wasn't the case but it just seemed ambiguous and nothing seemed to say either way.

Did you ring the police ???????????????????????????????????????

scheming_gypsy

why would i phone the police?


question marks... must not forget the question marks ???????????????????????????????????????

mchale

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

nobody is going to prosecute for having a car parked on the road for twenty minutes without insurance.

To find out if this quote is correct :rotfl: :rotfl:

scheming_gypsy

when my policeman mate is online i'll ask him.. although he's CID so i don't know how well up he'll be on traffic.

Oldfatgrumpy

Back in around 1984 (may have been before introduction of points system) I had a car on the road with lapsed (by a few days) insurance, parked up and not being driven as I was waiting till pay day to get the engine fixed. Two policemen turned up at the door one day and asked if the car was insured. I said no, and eventually ended up getting a fine from the magistrates. The day after I had the police visit, I went to my broker to reinsure the car, told him what had happened and he said "you fool, you should have got a producer off them and come here straight away, I'd have backdated the cover note for you!"

paddedjohn

Oldfatgrumpy wrote: »

Back in around 1984 (may have been before introduction of points system) I had a car on the road with lapsed (by a few days) insurance, parked up and not being driven as I was waiting till pay day to get the engine fixed. Two policemen turned up at the door one day and asked if the car was insured. I said no, and eventually ended up getting a fine from the magistrates. The day after I had the police visit, I went to my broker to reinsure the car, told him what had happened and he said "you fool, you should have got a producer off them and come here straight away, I'd have backdated the cover note for you!"

in the 80's you could buy a cover note off a man in the pub for a tenner, i dont know how people got away producing them they had names like 'carecar insurance' and 'abdul insurance' but they were accepted by the police.