Hands off my pension

The_White_Horse

they should just sack all these cretins in the public sector. i didn't even notice they were gone yesterday until i saw a load of swampies walking through birmingham on the news with their incorrectly spelled banners and placards. they are all vastly overpaid. they create NOTHING. private companies that create wealth can pay any bonus they like from their own profits but public sector workers have no place getting bonuses or massive pensions. they should get the state pension and that is all - unless they pay into a private one themselves - there should be no employer contribution (or if they have to 5% is more than enough, maybe rising to 7.5% when they hit 50).

until the public sector learn the value of money, they will always be the jokers they are.

boo hooo hooo they want to change my pension. i didn't agree to that.

i bet you don't say that when you get your undeserved payrise.

the public sector is too big for its useless boots. just privatise it all except the a&e, police, roads and army.

ILW

Really2 wrote: »

TBF my other half knows the score, she accepts her pensions will be reviewed and will be getting a nominal 5.4% pay cut over the next 2 years.

Are they actually reducing hs/her salary by 5.4% for the same amount of hours worked?

Sir_Humphrey

ILW wrote: »

Please explain what a "promotion freeze" is?

It means that no posts can be advertised within the Civil Service on promotion. This has been in place for over a year now. It is connected with the external recruitment freeze.

There are a few exceptions for highly specialised roles (e.g. those which require an engineer).

Really2

ILW wrote: »

Are they actually reducing hs/her salary by 5.4% for the same amount of hours worked?

Reducing her salary on the same hours, reducing hours was proposed but some dumb@asses moaned.

So they will all have to work the same hours for less money now.

ILW

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

It means that no posts can be advertised within the Civil Service on promotion. This has been in place for over a year now. It is connected with the external recruitment freeze.

There are a few exceptions for highly specialised roles (e.g. those which require an engineer).

So if a dept head, director or whatever leaves or retires, can that position only be filled by an outside canditate?

Sir_Humphrey

Mr_Mumble wrote: »

The Principal Civil Service Pension Scheme where for every £1 in employee contribution £18 is paid out in pension! :eek:

Yeah, that is so sustainable.

Well, the report the coalition published shows that public sector pensions are sustainable.

Francis Maude and Justine Greening have both been pwned on the Today programme trying that line.

Even Jeff Randall thinks you're wrong.

Sir_Humphrey

ILW wrote: »

So if a dept head, director or whatever leaves or retires, can that position only be filled by an outside canditate?

Let's put it this way, there are unfilled vacancies in the Civil Service.

During a jobs cut programme, replacing retiring people from outside is not a priority. Retirements are rolled up into the headcount reduction.

If you ask me how it is supposed to allow the civil service to work effectively, I'll be damned if I know.

Sir_Humphrey

The_White_Horse wrote: »

they should just sack all these cretins in the public sector. i didn't even notice they were gone yesterday

Well, you'd need to leave your dirty bedsit to notice. :beer:

ILW

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

Let's put it this way, there are unfilled vacancies in the Civil Service.

During a jobs cut programme, replacing retiring people from outside is not a priority. Retirements are rolled up into the headcount reduction.

If you ask me how it is supposed to allow the civil service to work effectively, I'll be damned if I know.

Still don't get the promotion freeze bit, are you saying that if anybody above the lowest grade leaves then that position is never filled internally?

abaxas

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

Promotions are on merit only in the civil service (or at least since the Northcote-Trevelyan report reforms in 1854).

http://www.civilservant.org.uk/northcotetrevelyan.pdf

Getting promoted is very challenging even when there is no freeze.

Couple of new words for you to look up.

Theory
Practice.