Duncan Smith urges firms to hire unemployed Britons

dseventy

Tippytoes wrote: »

I find it impossible to share your humour. ...

Check.

Tippytoes wrote: »

The locals, as you call them, probably have mortgages to pay and may well be family people who are eligible for little or no benefit entitlement.

If they have children they get CB and CTC.

I find most live in social housing, hence have no rent/mortgage.

Tippytoes wrote: »

Quite possibly, someone who's busted a gut working round the clock to provide for their family, only to be redundant?

Most of the locals have lived "hand to mouth" for years. They were rich and poor by the seasons.

Now they are being undercut by those willing to do their work, but for less.

Tippytoes wrote: »

Your immigrant will almost certainly be living in shared accommodation with God knows how many others.

You are coming across as very ignorant.

I find that both mum and dad come to work and organise their day around their children school days. One starts early, the other comes late and finishes late.

Plus its back-breaking, all weather, "eye over shoulder" heard work.

Tippytoes wrote: »

You really don't have a clue what is going on....but Mr Duncan Smith has had to tell it like it is. You can only cover-up for so long...

LOL! Ok.

I "don't know whats going on". I have 20 years in the packhouse industry, the same in recruitment, about 5 years in the internet, currency exchange etc etc.

you go ahead and though, say "I don't have a clue".

D70

dseventy

vax2002 wrote: »

Try paying a living wage and you might get people to work, of course migrants can work for less, they often live 8 to a room and are mini bussed around by vicious gang masters, many are working to try and get home. They are slaves.
But you employ cheap labour, then wonder why no body in the community has any money to buy your produce, you can have one (cheap labour) or you can have the other (customers) but you can not have both.
AND .. If these foreign national are such clever hard working folk how come the countries they come from are such backward sh1tholes

Wow. What a comment.

I pay £8.80 a hour, plus a large element of peice work. This is for Brocolli, spuds, cherrys (hot house work).

You have to turn up at 4:30am this time of year for work.

Very few BABs get up for work at 430am.

Most stay in bed and then moan on internet forums about lack of work and opportunity! :rotfl::rotfl:


D70

hcb42

the benefits system makes it too easy to stop at home though. By the time rent/council tax etc is paid, it is a fair chunk of cash. Of course the WTC assist this, but I think some look at it and think well they are going to work to be barely any better off than if they didnt. So they choose not to. Seen enough threads on here about it.

Until this imbalance is addressed, I dont see the Brit attitude changing, unfortunately, as those concerned are missing out on potential opportunities that might open up to those who work hard

GothicStirling

hcb42 wrote: »

the benefits system makes it too easy to stop at home though. By the time rent/council tax etc is paid, it is a fair chunk of cash. Of course the WTC assist this, but I think some look at it and think well they are going to work to be barely any better off than if they didnt. So they choose not to. Seen enough threads on here about it.

Until this imbalance is addressed, I dont see the Brit attitude changing, unfortunately, as those concerned are missing out on potential opportunities that might open up to those who work hard

You see, I couldn't live like that. I was brought up with the belief that you worked. I've spent two months out of work, and I'm bored. I start my new job tomorrow and I can't wait, even if it is in McD's.

WPN

Are people really buying this nonsense?

He is just keeping the "British jobs for British workers" promise of Gordon Brown (and we know how that turned out: subsequently awarded big contracts importing staff without giving local people a chance)...

He isn't clever, this little distraction doesn't fool me for a second. He couldn't help but mention the word "sanctions" within the same speech. Its the "British (unpaid) jobs" for "British (unemployed) people"... perhaps many people will be happy about the thousands of new opportunities for British people doing the same work as community service just for their benefits... but this isn't solving unemployment nor creating new paid sustainable jobs.

WPN

Just to add the Government is capping immigration from non-EU countries... which obviously will have a knock on effect in less of such migrants able to take jobs over here. However, its not legit to be saying offer jobs to UK people before non-UK EU nationals... this wont be a new law for obvious reasons but companies discriminating under this pledge might be liable.

Jacey53

dseventy wrote: »

I own 6 companies that pick veg/fruit across Lincs/Cambs/Notts.

It means getting up "for the bus" at 5am.

You might get 3 hours work that day, perhaps 12.

The locals(UK bab "born and bred") dont want the work. The polish/latvians/hungarians etc turn up.

They do amazing work. They are the defination of "piece work".

Whilst brits sit at home and moan about lack of opportunities.

LOL

D70

I don't think there is a real comparison here - whilst I agree that many of the economic migrants work very hard, it needs to be recognised that many will do this low paid, physically heavy work for a relatively short period. They come here because the low pay here is actually higher than in their home countries. They live cheap here - in multiple occupancy homes, in caravans and tents etc - and will either move on to higher paid posts more suited to their skills, or go home after they have made some money.
The locals who "do not want the work" are brandished as being lazy or grasping or stupid - but they have totally different circumstances. These are often insecure, seasonal, weather dependant hours with low wages and generally little opportunity for progression. The locals also have to live here - build a home, a family, pay rent or mortgages - they can't commit themselves to life that the migrants only do for a short time.
If the government is really interested in doing anything other than headline grabbing there would be some kind of encouragement to get peopl einto these kind of jobs - for example subsidising the wage with real benefit top-ups and providing training at teh same time for people to progress.

Also whilst the employers groups are keen to extol the virtues of the foreign workers as opposed to local ones we all need to be aware that the people that travel abroad are just those who have the confidence and skills to move to a foreign country - the ones left behind are probably similar to our much-maligned youngsters.

Tippytoes

dseventy wrote: »

Check.



If they have children they get CB and CTC.

I find most live in social housing, hence have no rent/mortgage.





Most of the locals have lived "hand to mouth" for years. They were rich and poor by the seasons.

Now they are being undercut by those willing to do their work, but for less.



You are coming across as very ignorant.

I find that both mum and dad come to work and organise their day around their children school days. One starts early, the other comes late and finishes late.

Plus its back-breaking, all weather, "eye over shoulder" heard work.


LOL! Ok.

I "don't know whats going on". I have 20 years in the packhouse industry, the same in recruitment, about 5 years in the internet, currency exchange etc etc.

you go ahead and though, say "I don't have a clue".

D70

....and when the immigrant's contract ends? Some of THEIR benefits stop, they kick up, send their kids to school without food, emergency visit to CAB for food vouchers, school funds raided to feed half of Eastern Europe, oh and whilst this is all going on, our elderly are dying on hospital trolleys and those who are exploiting the cheap labour the immigrants provide are switching jobs and getting rich.....

Please don't suggest that I am ignorant. I deal with immigrants every day of the working week and I can promise you, they are laughing their socks off at this country and the politicians who have allowed uncontrolled immigration. Why don't they go somewhere like Greece to work? Come to think of it, why don't our unemployed work in Greece? Greece (or any other European country) would tell them to s*d off, that's why and as for holding your hand out for benefits? Now I'm finding that funny......

ceridwen

DCFC79 wrote: »

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith has urged UK businesses to "give a chance" to unemployed young Britons, rather than relying on foreign workers.

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Will anyone take any notice of what he says ?

Probably not...as employers usually go for the cheapest labour they can get regardless. Young Britains will tend to expect a wage/salary commensurate with the costs of living a British lifestyle in Britain - therefore that makes them dearer than anyone who is prepared to accept a lower standard of living (ie because it still seems like a reasonable salary to them because they've come from a lower-wage country).

I must say I would tend to agree that a lot of Brits would "up sticks and slum it" abroad for a while if paid an income to do so that seemed generous by our standards - though I would be taking account personally of how much I needed to earn to live in a "British standard of living" way in whatever country I was in (unless it was a better one than this of course - in which case I'd "move up a bit" on what I wanted.....LOL). Now who wants to offer me £30/£40 an hour to work in one of the Scandinavian countries then....? (no idea what their wage levels are - but better countries and would need more money than here to cover their dearer costs....)

Widelats

ceridwen wrote: »

Probably not...as employers usually go for the cheapest labour they can get regardless. Young Britains will tend to expect a wage/salary commensurate with the costs of living a British lifestyle in Britain - therefore that makes them dearer than anyone who is prepared to accept a lower standard of living (ie because it still seems like a reasonable salary to them because they've come from a lower-wage country).

In London the cost of living is far higher than where i live, i don't know how anyone is managing on minimum wage down there, and recently there have been advertisements appearing in Morrisons supermarket from people in London wanting a council house exchange to "Anywhere in the North East" - i expect they are desperate to get cheaper living than London is and will gladly swap homes to do so.