Anyone else getting sick of all these updates

spud17

The only thing that I miss by not having Java is the Live timing from the Grands Prix qualifying.

http://www.formula1.com/live_timing/

RobTang

Hammyman wrote: »

For some reason I can't fathom, people will learn how to use all kinds of useless rubbish and read the manuals that come with it but can't be bothered to learn how to use a computer properly.

... as spoken by a true IT person.

IT people will use computers for the sake of using computers, and if it does somthing useful (for them) its an added bonus.

Everyone else (ie the majority) just wants the useful (for them) bit and everything else is just a chore (which they can be increasing put off to a later date)

toskdc wrote: »

.... but doesn't tell anyone its not ok to run as administrator all the time (and also doesn't provide adequate provision for user/admin accounts etc).

Yes they do, its called UAC and (nearly) everyone hates it.
oh and they have a nice link on the account type selection (and creating) page called "Why is a standard account recommended ?"
and on the "What is a user account" help page, it specifically says "Administrator accounts provide the most control over a computer, and should only be used when necessary".




Personally I dont understand why people should spend a lot of time learning computers (in a consumer space), it should be an appliance I can just use without having to learn all the above boring stuff.
and as much as I dispise Apple, its the one they have done right.

Pikeyp

S0litaire wrote: »

i installed Win7 on my machine (was on XP PRo) and i spent the WHOLE day downloading and installing updates with countless reboot in-between... Not looked at the office one yet!!! >_<

If it takes that long then you are doing something badly wrong ... a couple of hours max for me for OS and all progs I need , at the very most!

A slight exaggeration possibly ... ?

Trinitrotoluene

RobTang wrote: »

... as spoken by a true IT person.
Yes they do, its called UAC and (nearly) everyone hates it.

UAC is actually one of my favourite things about Windows 7 (it was crap in Vista for end users). It does much more than prevent privilege escalation:

- It handles folder virtualization and redirection. No more programs failing to run because they can't put their crap in the wrong spot. No more "making a user an admin" temporarily to run something once, and then changing them back to a regular user after you get the program working.

- It handles account auto-elevation. No messing around with "Access Denied" errors, "Run As" rubbish, and logging off and on as different users like in XP. !!!! just works. Admin accounts. Regular user accounts. You can get stuff done regardless of who you are logged in as.

- It prevents terrible software from modifying locations and files it has no business modifying. Why the hell is some app trying to modify my Windows folder? Who cares! Now it can't with UAC!

toskdc

Damn, I knew I shouldn't have opened my big mouth

Hammyman wrote: »

And MS do provide adequate provision for user/admin accounts and have for nearly two decades. Its not their fault you don't use them.

Wish I still had the link to a blog of a guy who tried running as a user for daily tasks for a month. The number of background programs that required you to run as admin was too great. In the end he had to go back to running as root in order to get things done. I'm fairly sure I tried it myself at one stage too and didn't get very far.

So really it is their fault that I don't use them.

This is all from my experience with XP. I can't comment on Vista or 7.

Now I'll go back to lurking. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool and all that.

Hammyman

RobTang wrote: »

Everyone else (ie the majority) just wants the useful (for them) bit and everything else is just a chore (which they can be increasing put off to a later date)

Like a washing machine? They'll read the manuals for those.

Yes they do, its called UAC and (nearly) everyone hates it.
oh and they have a nice link on the account type selection (and creating) page called "Why is a standard account recommended ?"
and on the "What is a user account" help page, it specifically says "Administrator accounts provide the most control over a computer, and should only be used when necessary".

Thankyou for proving how little you know. UAC has nothing to do with what I was on about.

Personally I dont understand why people should spend a lot of time learning computers (in a consumer space), it should be an appliance I can just use without having to learn all the above boring stuff.
and as much as I dispise Apple, its the one they have done right.

ROFLMAO. What was that you were saying about UAC?

Hammyman

toskdc wrote: »

Damn, I knew I shouldn't have opened my big mouth



Wish I still had the link to a blog of a guy who tried running as a user for daily tasks for a month. The number of background programs that required you to run as admin was too great. In the end he had to go back to running as root in order to get things done. I'm fairly sure I tried it myself at one stage too and didn't get very far.

So really it is their fault that I don't use them.

That isn't Microsofts fault at all. Were any of them MS apps? No. Why? Because they write them properly in regards to privilege levels..It is the fault of the program authors who coded it so you needed to run the program as administrator. Battlefield 2 needed to be run as admin. Why does a game need admin rights? It doesn't. It was just crap coding.

toskdc

Hammyman wrote: »

That isn't Microsofts fault at all. Were any of them MS apps? No. Why? Because they write them properly in regards to privilege levels..It is the fault of the program authors who coded it so you needed to run the program as administrator. Battlefield 2 needed to be run as admin. Why does a game need admin rights? It doesn't. It was just crap coding.

Very true. So it isn't an MS problem its the fact that most programmers are under the impression that everyone runs as admin and write their programs accordingly. Until this is challenged everyone will be forced to run as admin by developers.

I concede to you on that one. Wanna talk viruses? ;-)

dixiebb

Personally I dont understand why people should spend a lot of time learning computers (in a consumer space), it should be an appliance I can just use without having to learn all the above boring stuff.
and as much as I dispise Apple, its the one they have done right.

{sic.}^^^

^^yep, I use both Windows (7) and Snow Leopard (Apple ); certainly the Apple OS is very intuitive and slick - vulnerabilities still do exist though. If -- after nearly 15 plus yrs -- Win 7 is the best that MS can do then God help us! And Win 8 in beta soon! ..:wall:

[Deleted User]

toskdc wrote: »

Very true. So it isn't an MS problem its the fact that most programmers are under the impression that everyone runs as admin and write their programs accordingly. Until this is challenged everyone will be forced to run as admin by developers.

I concede to you on that one. Wanna talk viruses? ;-)

Yes, that's what the introduction of UAC did. It managed to change the attitude of Windows developers and resulted in improved overall system security by not having programs using the highest levels of privileges available when they are unnecessary. Some programs will always require a higher level of access. It is something that is unavoidable no matter what operating system the program is on.

Personally I dont understand why people should spend a lot of time learning computers (in a consumer space), it should be an appliance I can just use without having to learn all the above boring stuff.

If a person is using their computer to manage their personal financial affairs then they should be responsible for ensuring that they are doing so in a safe manner. Appliances need to be used safely; a computer should be no different.