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Prudent

Really2 wrote: »

What ours are their contracted hours? that is the point.
They do 17H unpaid overtime, I presume their contracted hours are close to schools opening hours. So coming in at 8 am and finishing at 5pm or after stacks up the overtime, also working in holidays.
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Contracted hours are 35 hours a week not including any paid breaks. So 8am - 4pm or 9am 5pm are regular hours allowing for a 15 minute morning break and 3/4 hour lunchtime. Most teachers just usually grab a quick lunch though or eat while doing paperwork. The 17 hours quoted are in addition to the 35 hours working week and do not include all the extra we do in the 'holidays'.

ILW

What would happen if you just worked contracted hours, and are there any teachers that do?

3princes

Really2 wrote: »

What ours are their contracted hours? that is the point.
They do 17H unpaid overtime, I presume their contracted hours are close to schools opening hours. So coming in at 8 am and finishing at 5pm or after stacks up the overtime, also working in holidays.

I thought the point was fairly clear, I never said anything about when teachers start of finish, I was just showing how eas it can be to rack up overtime when thee contracted hours are less than many full time jobs and the holiday entitlement is higher.
In reality the contracted hours for teaching is a red herring, I think that mos except that in reality their real working day is more in line with all other full time jobs not 8:50pm until 3:30pm.

So I suggest read my point again, it has nothing to do with the work I think teachers do, it is more understaning the work they do and how easy it is to rack up that over and above their contracted hours.
The second point was that even working 8:30 am - 5PM would rack up a fair amount of overtime a week, so although doing overtime, that may not be more working hours than say someone in a 9-5:30 job!

Read your own point, it doesn't read as you are saying above! As i said i challenge anyone who criticises them to work a week in a school.

milliebear00001

ILW wrote: »

What would happen if you just worked contracted hours, and are there any teachers that do?

You'd get fired for incompetency. It's impossible to do the job in any real sense in those hours.

Teachers are required in their contracts to do any hours over and above their contracted hours that are necessary.

In terms of hours worked, once I average out my 60 hour term-time working week for 39 weeks of the year, it comes to almost a 50 hour working week averaged over 48 working weeks (taking into account four weeks paid holiday in the private sector). I would say that's a fair amount of hours considering the pay. I don't know many in the private sector, who earn the equivalent of my salary, and would be happy to work those hours every week (although clearly some do).

J_i_m

ILW wrote: »

What would happen if you just worked contracted hours, and are there any teachers that do?

Or to put it in terms that other people might understand...

Standards would jump off the cliff, hit the rocks at the bottom, pull out a spade and keep digging.

This would inevitably result in the dailymail brigade being up in arms with new levels of indignant anger.

I think far too many people look at meaningless figures without actually understanding much about what certain jobs involve and the various conditions.

The fact of the matter is that far too many people want teachers, police, fire-fighters, nurses etc to perform above and beyond, yet they don't want to pay for it.

And for these services to attract the right people to work for them, the conditions have to be attractive, otherwise nobody would ever be motivated to go work there.