Police car bullying its way through red light.

tbourner

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Would you break the law to save a life?, I would.:A

Yes.

Would you break the law if you were told there was a 0.05% chance of saving a life? Cos that's more like the odds you'd get on preventing an emergency vehicle getting through for 20 seconds.

bigjl

Really?

And how would you know what difference a few minutes or seconds makes.

I would suggest you have no idea whatsoever.

I, unlike you, do.

And there are many times when the ambos have wished they could have got there even ten seconds earlier, just think if an ambulance crew or copper got there 10 seconds after somebody jumped from a tall building. Do those few seconds still make no difference.

sarahg1969

mchale wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest has anyone commenting on this thread ever been prosecuted for jumping a red light
to let a police/ambulance/fire engine pass.

me thinks the old adage "mountain out of a mole hill" applies here :rotfl:

I've not. I wouldn't chance it.

tbourner

bigjl wrote: »

Really?

Whether 10 seconds makes a life or death difference? I'd be more than willing to bet it's closer to 0.05% than it is to 100% as your question implied. What about all the false alarms? What about Police cars being called to 'disturbances', fights, public order? I would say apart from false alarms the fire service are the ones who are most likely to be going to a life or death situation - even cutting someone out of a car - but TBH I don't remember the last time a fire engine came up behind me with lights and siren.

CWCDiver

bigjl wrote: »

Plod and the Ambos don't use their lights except when respondin simply because their use is recorded and the control room is aware.

Not sure where you get that from but it's not correct for any of the police force's I've ever been in.

Police officers use emergency warning equipment all the time outside of responding to calls. For example scene protection, requesting someone pull over, there are countless reasons and most of these aren't logged. I do not know if this is the case for Ambo...

For example, my vehicle has lights and sirens fitted, I live in Hertfordshire, I was called out to a job in London I left my house in the car, blues on blatted through Herts, Essex and Met ground and didn't inform either of their control rooms.

bigjl

Are you having a laugh.

You don't consider scene protection as using them for what they are intended.

Or are you trying to be pedantic.

If you have blues on your own car then that would indicate you are o
n call and therefore a more senior rank.

If you don't realise that the black.box records everything that goes on in the vehicle, including blue light and siren use then you can't be Met.

And since the Las has had this tech since 2005 i assumed the Met would also have the same link, even the pruvate co M and L knows when.staff put on the noise.

bigjl

Your last bit concerns me, why would you inform.the control rooms you have your lights on, never heard of this ever. Theonly time i heard similar was when private firms were hammering along with the blues on without good reason, which may explain the new technology.

I have just figured it out, you are not job but are one of these private firms doing organ retrieval aren't you?

Woody._2

bigjl wrote: »

If you have blues on your own car then that would indicate you are o
n call and therefore a more senior rank.

Job cars are taken home by officers in all ranks (even PC's) who are on call.

bigjl wrote: »

Your last bit concerns me, why would you inform.the control rooms you have your lights on, never heard of this ever.

Police passing through another forces area on blues, its called courtesy to inform them.

bigjl wrote: »

I have just figured it out, you are not job but are one of these private firms doing organ retrieval aren't you?

Wrong again.;)

cyclonebri1

tbourner wrote: »

Yes.

Would you break the law if you were told there was a 0.05% chance of saving a life? Cos that's more like the odds you'd get on preventing an emergency vehicle getting through for 20 seconds.

Well for one I wouldn't know, and given that situation would I gamble a possible £60 fine against any oportunity to help?.... yes I would!

bigjl

Woody. wrote: »

Job cars are taken home by officers in all ranks (even PC's) who are on call.



Police passing through another forces area on blues, its called courtesy to inform them.



Wrong again.;)

So why are you not aware that blue light use is recorded then?

To use the fact that some robbery squad cars might not have or some cid cars not relevant to the main point, which is that blue light use in the emergency services is well regulated and they don't stick them on when not needed.

To differentiate between responding and scene safety is being pedantic.

Though the Ambulance service can put the lights on at any time they are claiming exemptions, these exemptions are claimed by the driver in relation to the patients condition and as such they require no permission from EOC, the only time EOC are informed is when the patients condition requires they go straight to resus and not the normal triage route, but it is legal and allowed to claim exemptions at any point if the patients condition warrants it.

Blue lights are only to warn other road users that exemptons may be used, and i have never had my EOC phone any other police force to say i am on the way.

The only time i have heard the met warn other forces is when they are involved in a pursuit.

LAS officers oncall.use unmarked lease cars to come into London and they inform nobody either.

I reckon you live in the seventies.